jayrmli wrote:" jayrmli wrote:West of Fresh Pond the Lower Montauk is only cleared for Plate C cars, meaning any of those boxcars with the white strip at the top can't fit under the M line subway bridge or probably the overbuild west of Fresh Pond. All if the LIRR has a weight limit on cars of 263,000 lbs.
Once again, not true. Take a look at the first boxcar in this train. Clearly a high-cube, shot in Deer Park:
You copy my text exactly, and then show a video from somewhere else on the system to try to prove your point. Any excess height car like the one shown in your video needs special clearance from the LIRR Engineering Department before movement. When such movement is granted, it is also route specific, as not everywhere in the system has clearance for such cars. Your original post was regarding the old Phelps Dodge property along the lower Montauk, which there is physically no way to get a car of that size there due to overhead clearance. Some crews from both LIRR and NYAR have tried in the past...and all have failed miserably.
You also ask that I not pull that "jingoistic "This is America"" stuff, but in the very next paragraph you go into the pro-rail talking points about "taking trucks off the road, less than 1% use rail, etc." The fact is there are many factors for a business to decide whether or not to use rail, and the logistics are more complex than any government bean counter to figure out. I know it's hard to fathom in a nanny state like New York City, which goes crazy if there's a salt shaker on the table in a restaurant, but most businesses prefer to operate without some hack telling them what they can and can't do. Check your history books and you'll find that over-regulation against the railroads is what put them all in bankruptcy a few decades back, and why trucks now have a stranglehold on the highways.
HAHA... so your only retort against me is trying to veer the topic from economic development incentives for Jetro to the technicalities of moving a Plate F boxcar on Long Island? Pretty sad...
High Cube boxcars, particularly insulated, are primarily used for paper service and construction materials that need protection from the elements... last time I checked, there wasn't an active newspaper plant on Long Island that received paper rolls by rail, and lumber products move on centerbeams and can also move in boxcars, both standard height and Plate F. So it's a moot point. Based on the industries on Long Island, there isn't a dying need for excess height cars to begin with, further eroding your point. As jtunnel mentioned, the TOFC/COFC concept is interesting, and putting standard shipping containers on articulated spine cars (ala CN) would be the only way to bring intermodal to the island. TOFC might work, but only with sufficient clearance. TOFC is a dying concept anyway, as full-blown containerization (both international and domestic) is pretty much supplanting the TOFC concept, slowly but surely. We all know well cars wouldn't work (third rail), and double stacking is out of the question as we all know. The only option we have are single-stacking containers on spine cars or 89' flats.
For most practical purposes, and based on the commodities Long Island receives, standard height boxcars work just fine. Centerbeams, bulkhead flats, MSW flats, C&D gondolas, tank cars, box cars (yes, even Plate F), covered hoppers, open hoppers, and more are all capable of making it to Long Island without a problem, both in terms of third rail or vertical clearance. This is fact; it isn't even open for debate. Yes, there are a few technicalities here and there, but the main point (and the reason for my post) is that NYC and LI are not aggressively promoting the use of freight rail with economic incentives and "incubator zones" like they should. Instead, most New Yorkers are ignorantly content with keeping the warehousing/distribution functions in New Jersey, completely unaware that they are paying the price by sitting in traffic and breathing noxious fumes that would otherwise be mitigated if freight rail were a larger part of New York's logistics picture.