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  by justalurker66
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:54 am I think CHI-IND-CHI is itching for corridor service. That means:
  • Service-separated tracks: 1 freight (with passing), 2 passenger.
  • Higher speed track (since it's dedicated track) -- in-cab signals, straightened curves, etc.
  • Level boarding at stations if possible
I'm not sure the market would support the service. I would not expect more than two tracks to be maintained (double track CTC the entire length would be expensive enough). Moving from a barely there to a curve straightening triple track is a giant leap.

I'd support a daily Cardinal.
  by STrRedWolf
 
justalurker66 wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:16 pm I'm not sure the market would support the service. I would not expect more than two tracks to be maintained (double track CTC the entire length would be expensive enough). Moving from a barely there to a curve straightening triple track is a giant leap.

I'd support a daily Cardinal.
Looking at this with OpenStreetMap...
  • CSX Monon, Lafayette, Crawfordville Branch, Indianapolis Terminal, Indianapolis Subdivs need double-tracking or more sidings. (Toledo subdiv is largely good,
  • Several stations need more platforms, espeically Cincinnati Union Terminal.
  • Indianapolis station needs two switches.
...in order to support corridor service.

Daily Cardlinal will just need some more sidings.
  by justalurker66
 
Double track is certainly more rational than one freight two passenger tracks. Start with adding sidings and then work on connecting sidings.
  by electricron
 
justalurker66 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:27 am Double track is certainly more rational than one freight two passenger tracks. Start with adding sidings and then work on connecting sidings.
Why? The Cardinal already exists? What do the railroads want to allow daily service for the Cardinal? The answer is certainly different for a return to daily service vs initiating corridor service with multiple trains a day. If we can not agree to limit the discussion to one or the other, we will never agree upon the solutions.
  by justalurker66
 
If you want to be picky, the Cardinal is not a corridor train - it is Long Distance. The former corridor trains Hoosier State and Kentucky Cardinal are related for the portion between Indianapolis and Chicago. Improvements that would allow for a corridor train would improve the Cardinal service. A daily Cardinal could help build the demand for a corridor train serving Indianapolis and possibly Cincinnati. There is a lot of overlap.

(Read the prior posts if you want more context to the comment you replied to.)
  by eolesen
 
Focus on markets that actually have traffic, and maybe they'll be successful. But the market spoke on CHI-IND long ago...

I used to commute between IND and CHI years ago, and the demand simply isn't there. Airline frequencies and capacity have steadily gone down from medium size jets to 70 seat turboprops to 50 seat jets.

Megabus won't even bother with the market. If the for-profit people are pulling back or ignoring the market entirely, what makes anyone think it's going to increase after a couple million in track upgrades or going to a once-daily pattern of service?
  by twropr
 
What kind of consist has the CARDINAL been running recently?
Andy
  by gokeefe
 

eolesen wrote:Megabus won't even bother with the market. If the for-profit people are pulling back or ignoring the market entirely, what makes anyone think it's going to increase after a couple million in track upgrades or going to a once-daily pattern of service?
That would have been a really good argument against Portland-Boston or Portland North service at one point. What changed was infrastructure improvements both for the bus and rail.

The market spoke on the "as is" offering CHI-IND. The results would *not* be the same if the corridor is improved. I say this from the point of view about the Cardinal itself and any parallel corridor services.



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