Another derailment... Jamaica 11/23

Looks like the corner of 7267 was crunched into whatever car was behind it (there's no pictures showing that number) so they'll probably both be out of service for a little while.

DutchRailnut wrote:It looks lie MNCR wreck gang is at the Scene.
http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=710723

NWP saves the day!

in my humble opinion it could have been cleaned up overnight.
At 605 pm, they had a live shot on eywitness news, and the car was still there.
Its not all lies former LIRR, helina has been all over the news attacking her workers.
Why do you think it is taking so long to clean the mess up?
She attacks us for our pensions, overtime, and disability.
Yet she fails to mention the nice pension she will get for working there a very short time.
Payback is a B****

Thi s whole weekend, eastbound trains were using tracks 4 and 5 due to platform work on tracks 6 thru 8. When a train arrives from tracks 2 or 4 on the mainline, they have to cross down over several switches to reach track 5 which is what this train did exactly, and what all my eastbounds did on Saturday. Most likely, a switch was picked by the lead truck of the car that jack knifed. The fact that this car continued half onto 5 track and the other half onto 7 track, is what caused such a huge mess, not only ripping up all the third rail on these tracks, but causing serious damage to the switches and rails as well. So a quick recovery was not likely to occur, and don't be surprised if things are not back to normal tomorrow either. Speeding was automatically not an issue as the the speed limit is 15 through the Jamaica area, and the speed control would have prevented the engineer from exceeding that speed of 15MPH. Once you accept the signal on the Van Wyck overpass, 15 is all you are gonna get on Speed Control. Cold weather over the past week can cause serious issues to switches, and while there was no percipitation over the past days, the below freezing temps can still cause switches to freeze or malfunction.

mark777, ches freezing up.

Most Wisest Tool..was there not a "restricted" route perhaps years ago at Jay..this brings back memories of the fIrst M3 derailment there

The Metro North crane has come down to Fresh Pond a couple of times in recent years to assist in derailments with the New York and Atlantic. They have used the LIRR crane also most of the time. Is Charlie still the wreckmaster?

uptown:

It's not common as much, but it still happens every once in a while. Not so much that it froze, but malfunctions with all of our equipment including the trains seem to always act up when the temperature drops below 30. Add in the abuse that these switches and tracks take on a regular basis, especially in Jamaica, and things can go south quickly. They havent turned on the flames yet because now snow has fallen, but even a little frost can cause a little bit of problems. I'm pretty sure that this had nothing to do with the crew. It has to be a malfunction either with the switch, or a problem with the truck of that train.

up the

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I hope they have it sorted out by tomorrow morning's commute but my better judgment tells me that even if they remove the car the damage to the rest of the equipment will prohibit the full use of Jamaiaca

hammerfang wrote:I hope they have it sorted out by tomorrow morning's commute but my better judgment tells me that even if they remove the car the damage to the rest of the equipment will prohibit the full use of Jamaiaca

Wrong!!

Changes To Monday PM Service

MTA Long Island Rail Road customers are advised to anticipate major adjustments to the evening rush hour schedule including 19 canceled trains, delays and no across-the-platform connections at Jamaica for Monday’s evening rush hour as a result of a derailment that occurred in Jamaica on Sunday.
LIRR crews have been working round-the-clock to re-rail the three train cars on the west end of Jamaica Station. The work also includes repair to the damaged switches and track caused by the derailment. Currently three tracks are out of service due to the accident.

Monday PM Service Changes
The Monday PM Rush service plan includes the cancellation of 19 of the 132 eastbound PM rush trains operated – 11 of the canceled trains are Penn Station departures, 6 trains are from Brooklyn, and 2 trains are from Hunterspoint Avenue. Customers should anticipate delays and there will be no across-the-platform connections at Jamaica. Customers are advised, if possible, to take trains that will bring them to their destination without the need for a change at Jamaica. Those customers requiring a change of trains at Jamaica will be advised to descend to street-level to be directed to the appropriate platform for their connection. LIRR station personnel will be available at Penn Station, Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn and Jamaica to assist customers with service information. Under the modified service plan, there will be time adjustments to the eastbound local service to Woodside, Forest Hills and Kew Gardens. The LIRR appreciates the patience and understanding of our customers.

Eastbound PM Peak Service train cancellations:

The following evening rush hour trains from Penn Station will be canceled.

* The 3:34 PM to Wantagh will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 3:46 PM due in Babylon at 4:52 PM.

* The 4:12 PM to Massapequa Park will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 4:21 PM train to Freeport, which will be extended to Massapequa Park.

* The 4:22 PM to Port Washington will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 4:25 PM to Great Neck, which is extended to Port Washington.

* The 4:34 PM to Babylon will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 4:37 PM to Wantagh, which will be extended to Babylon

* The 4:43 PM to Port Washington will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 4:46 PM to Great Neck, which will be extended to Port Washington.

* The 4:57 PM to Wantagh will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 5:03 PM to Freeport, which will be extended to Wantagh.

* The 5:20 PM to Long Beach will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 5:23 PM to Long Beach, which will stop at Jamaica.

* The 5:19 PM to Wantagh will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 5:24 PM to Freeport, which will be extended to Wantagh.

* The 5:40 PM to Seaford will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 5:47 PM to Freeport, which will be extended to Seaford.

* The 6:05 PM to Wantagh will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 6:10 PM to Freeport, which will be extended to Wantagh.

* The 6:33 PM to Babylon will be canceled. Customers will be accommodated by the 6:36 PM to Wantagh, which will be extended to Babylon.

The following evening rush hour trains from Brooklyn’s Flatbush Avenue Terminal will be canceled:

* The 4:39 PM from Flatbush Avenue due in Babylon 5:52 PM will be canceled.

* The 4:31 PM from Flatbush Avenue due in Far Rockaway 5:26 PM will be canceled.

* The 5:19 PM from Flatbush Avenue due in Hempstead at 6:09 PM will be canceled.

* The 5:40 PM from Flatbush Avenue due in Long Beach at 6:32 PM will be canceled.

* The 5:29 PM from Flatbush Avenue due in Huntington at 6:28 has been canceled.

* The 6:04 PM from Flatbush Avenue due Ronkonkoma at 7:27 PM has been canceled from Brooklyn and will instead originate at Jamaica.

The following evening rush hour trains from Hunterspoint Avenue Terminal will be canceled:

* The 5:29 PM from Hunterspoint Avenue due in Ronkonkoma at 6:45 PM is canceled from Hunterspoint Avenue and will instead originate from Jamaica.

* The 6:30 PM from Hunterspoint Avenue due in Port Jefferson at 8:15 PM is canceled from Hunterspoint Avenue and will instead originate from Mineola.

Service Updates:
The LIRR will continue to update this Service Advisory as track repairs are made. Customers should monitor news media reports and the LIRR’s website (at www.mta.info/lirr) for updates to this PM modified service plan. The LIRR anticipates that there will some impact to Tuesday morning’s AM Rush and will advise customers of that service plan later today. The LIRR would like to thank our customers for their patience and understanding during this period.

For up-to-date travel service information, customers can also contact the LIRR’s 24-hour Travel Information Center in Suffolk County at 631-231-LIRR, in Nassau County at 516-822-LIRR or in New York City at 718-217-LIRR. The Travel Information Center’s TDD telephone number for the hearing impaired is 718-558-3022.

And the problem grows. It will be 48 hours of delays once 12:51:15 passes tommorow! I hope there will be full, on time service restored for the holiday rush!

Did anyone see if the mess had been cleared up today? I went through Jamaica on Track 1 today and had two M7s running alongside so I couldn't see if they had cleared the accident.

I spent a few minutes searching on Google News, for a such a quote from Helena Williams, and I couldn't find anything. Apparently someone just made this up.

formerLIRR'r wrote:Please provide the link where she calls anyone a thief or thieves?
Until that is done this is nothing but LIES.

LongIslandTool wrote:Monday's rush-hour is going to be a HUGE problem.
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Helena WIlliams' referred to them as thieves in the media who are hungry for overtime. They want to prove they really don't want the overtime.

Unless Governor Patterson cans her tonight, give yourselves LOTS of time getting to work tomorrow.

As of this morning at 630 AM there was a large amount of track work being done. A Lot of HYrail trucks parked on the tracks and it looked like welding work being done. I saw a lot of sparks flying from the track bed area.