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Discussion of products from the American Locomotive Company. A web site with current Alco 251 information can be found here: Fairbanks-Morse/Alco 251.

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 #1633068  by Allen Hazen
 
Never mind the nomenclature. Alco didn't (it seems) care very much abut model names, and different Alco documents apparently disagree. The original "Diesel Spotter's Guide" used PA-3 for the last 2250 hp PA built (the ones without the drip strip" and porthole on the sides, and with certain engine upgrades), more recent rain literature uses PA-1 for all 2000 hp and PA-2 for the 2250 hp series, and (I have read that) at least one Alco document uses PA-1 for all the 2000 and 2250 hp units built, reserving PA-2 for the proposed 2400 hp version.
What I'm interested in is the unbuilt 2400 hp PA. Alco apparently drew up specifications for such a unit, but no railroad ordered any. But what would it have been?
I have just come across an article (in a railfan magazine from the 1990s) confidently asserting that Alco offered a 2400 hp PA powered by a 16-251 engine. (Subsidiary question: the 251 is slightly longer than the 244: would this have necessitated major car-body redesign?). But they could also have offered a unit with the final 244 variant (244H?), actually used to power the 2400 hp Dl-600A. Does anybody know what Alco offered to the railroad market?
 #1633069  by Allen Hazen
 
Hummm....
Look at the dates. The last PA (Dl-304D for the cabs, Dl-305D for the PB units) were built in 1953. The first 2400 hp Alcos, the (16-244 powered) Dl-600A, weren't built until October 1955.
The Alco volume (volume 2) of Kirkland's "The Diesel Builders" cites two Alco documents, from 1952 and 1953, both assigning the model name PA-1 to both 2000 hp and 2250 hp units, and suggesting PA-2 for an improved, future, unit: specification 304E/305E is mentioned. But the 304E/305E was to be a 2250 hp type!
I'm sure that if a major railroad had come around, check book in hand, asking for a reasonable number of 2400 hp PA-somethings in, say 1956, they would have built them. But as it is, I don't see serious evidence of anything beyond the Dl-304E/Dl-305E.
So my guess is that Alco never put serious effort into designing or marketing a 2400 hp PA.
(Though, given the similarity of the 2250 hp Dl-600 and the 2400 hp Dl-600A -- note that these models used the same GT-586 generators as the last PA built -- it would surely have been technically feasible for them to have designed a 2400 hp "Dl-304F". I just doubt that they ever tried.)