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  by Station Aficionado
 
CComMack wrote:
afiggatt wrote:
CComMack wrote:
Officials also report that close to 6,500 passengers got on or off at the Norfolk stop in that same time.
Could someone with a better journalistic or internal source clarify the exact benchmarks those numbers represent?
The 11,500 includes passengers who got on/off at RVR, Petersburg, other VA stops.
Thanks; since the NFK trains are (IIRC) extensions of RVR trains, I wanted to double-check that this number included RVR-ALX boardings, which was my initial guess based on the magnitude of the number. An alternate reading of the sentence could have implied a very large ridership gain at Petersburg, which I thought was unlikely, but just plausible enough to be worth checking. :-)
In fact, new reports that I have read have indicated only a handful of riders boarding/alighting at Petersburg.
  by ThirdRail7
 
Station Aficionado wrote:
CComMack wrote:
afiggatt wrote:
CComMack wrote:
Officials also report that close to 6,500 passengers got on or off at the Norfolk stop in that same time.
Could someone with a better journalistic or internal source clarify the exact benchmarks those numbers represent?
The 11,500 includes passengers who got on/off at RVR, Petersburg, other VA stops.
Thanks; since the NFK trains are (IIRC) extensions of RVR trains, I wanted to double-check that this number included RVR-ALX boardings, which was my initial guess based on the magnitude of the number. An alternate reading of the sentence could have implied a very large ridership gain at Petersburg, which I thought was unlikely, but just plausible enough to be worth checking. :-)
In fact, new reports that I have read have indicated only a handful of riders boarding/alighting at Petersburg.

Indeed. To date, PTB is a waste of brake shoes but since you're going right by it, you might as well stop.
  by afiggatt
 
Station Aficionado wrote: In fact, new reports that I have read have indicated only a handful of riders boarding/alighting at Petersburg.
No reason to expect much of an increase at Petersburg. It was already getting 4 trains a day stopping there each way with only 22,387 getting on or off in FY2012. Wonder how many of the NFK origin/destination trips are within Virginia? Alexandria is likely to get most of those because of the Metro station there.
  by M&Eman
 
afiggatt wrote:
Station Aficionado wrote: In fact, new reports that I have read have indicated only a handful of riders boarding/alighting at Petersburg.
No reason to expect much of an increase at Petersburg. It was already getting 4 trains a day stopping there each way with only 22,387 getting on or off in FY2012. Wonder how many of the NFK origin/destination trips are within Virginia? Alexandria is likely to get most of those because of the Metro station there.
I imagine a good proportion of the ridership in Norfolk is getting off at Alexandria and taking the Metro to the Pentagon where they have meetings etc. It is good to see this service on really strong footing already. What infrastructure improvements are needed to add more round trips?
  by Jersey_Mike
 
  by ThirdRail7
 
M&Eman wrote:
afiggatt wrote:
Station Aficionado wrote: In fact, new reports that I have read have indicated only a handful of riders boarding/alighting at Petersburg.
No reason to expect much of an increase at Petersburg. It was already getting 4 trains a day stopping there each way with only 22,387 getting on or off in FY2012. Wonder how many of the NFK origin/destination trips are within Virginia? Alexandria is likely to get most of those because of the Metro station there.
I imagine a good proportion of the ridership in Norfolk is getting off at Alexandria and taking the Metro to the Pentagon where they have meetings etc. It is good to see this service on really strong footing already. What infrastructure improvements are needed to add more round trips?
There isn't much intrastate travel coming from NFK or PTB. The vast majority of the riders are through passengers.
  by ThirdRail7
 
Jersey_Mike wrote:If anybody cares here are some photos of the new CSX BX interlocking taken shortly before it was placed in service.

http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -rear.html
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -conn.html
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... +mast.html
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -conn.html
Are there high speed crossovers on CSX?
  by Arlington
 
ThirdRail7 wrote:There isn't much intrastate travel coming from NFK or PTB. The vast majority of the riders are through passengers.
That's likely good news for revenues...but bad news (or not much of a win) if they end up over-selling sections that were already selling out? (PHL-NYP?)
  by afiggatt
 
ThirdRail7 wrote: There isn't much intrastate travel coming from NFK or PTB. The vast majority of the riders are through passengers.
The Norfolk service started just before the holiday travel period which would distort the numbers. The February, March, April numbers should provide a better view of what the trip patterns for Norfolk look like as the service becomes established. In this case, does through passengers include NFK-WAS or just those going north of DC?
  by ThirdRail7
 
afiggatt wrote:
ThirdRail7 wrote: There isn't much intrastate travel coming from NFK or PTB. The vast majority of the riders are through passengers.
The Norfolk service started just before the holiday travel period which would distort the numbers. The February, March, April numbers should provide a better view of what the trip patterns for Norfolk look like as the service becomes established. In this case, does through passengers include NFK-WAS or just those going north of DC?
I included DC. To give you an idea, let's say there are 30 riders boarding at NFK. 14 would travel north of DC, 10 would travel to DC and 6 would travel to points in VA.
  by Arlington
 
ThirdRail7 wrote:To give you an idea, let's say there are 30 riders boarding at NFK. 14 would travel north of DC, 10 would travel to DC and 6 would travel to points in VA.
That's going to be really great for revenue! Considering that Southwest Flies ORF-BWI, I'm guessing nobody really rides NFK-BWI/BAL either. That leaves the same biggies that power both ridership and revenues on the Lynchburg service, namely PHL and NYP. Seems like a very healthy mix.
  by Jersey_Mike
 
ThirdRail7 wrote:
Jersey_Mike wrote:If anybody cares here are some photos of the new CSX BX interlocking taken shortly before it was placed in service.

http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -rear.html
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -conn.html
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... +mast.html
http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... -conn.html
Are there high speed crossovers on CSX?
They might be Limited speed, but I don't think that qualifies as "high speed".
  by gokeefe
 
Arlington wrote:
ThirdRail7 wrote:To give you an idea, let's say there are 30 riders boarding at NFK. 14 would travel north of DC, 10 would travel to DC and 6 would travel to points in VA.
That's going to be really great for revenue! Considering that Southwest Flies ORF-BWI, I'm guessing nobody really rides NFK-BWI/BAL either. That leaves the same biggies that power both ridership and revenues on the Lynchburg service, namely PHL and NYP. Seems like a very healthy mix.
Didn't realize SWA was flying KORF-KBWI.

Very interesting fare comparison:

Amtrak, JAN 30: NFK - BWI, $59; JAN 31: BWI - NFK, $59 = Total Fare $118

Southwest Airlines, JAN 30: KORF - KBWI, $69.90; JAN 31: KBWI - KORF, $69.90 = Total Fare $139.80
(Southwest quotes their fares with taxes and surcharges included)

I'm sure that the SWA fares are lowest bucket and I believe the Amtrak fares are close to if not actually lowest bucket as well.
  by gokeefe
 
Of course many flying KORF - KBWI would be connecting to onward destinations so this isn't necessarily a competitive segment for Amtrak. On the other hand there are plenty of defense contractors down there, and of course I'm sure there's plenty of traffic between Naval assets in Norfolk and Annapolis.
  by Arlington
 
http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/104/475/Amt ... r-2012.pdf

The Norfolk service had positive contribution margin in its first (partial) month of service!

Ridership was 14,900 vs a budgeted 13,792

on $800,000 in revenue there were $500,000 in costs, showing a surplus of $300,000.
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