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 #1426392  by BandA
 
I suppose you could install full-highs on stations east of Framingham, and if they ever need to restore wide freight 20 years from now (for some reason) they can install gauntlets, or saw off the edge & install flip edges.
 #1426405  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
BandA wrote:I suppose you could install full-highs on stations east of Framingham, and if they ever need to restore wide freight 20 years from now (for some reason) they can install gauntlets, or saw off the edge & install flip edges.
They won't ever need to, though. Per the set of posts up the page about all the paper legalese that's being waived in 2018 for wide-clearance to Allston, the last Plate F-accessible easements set aside for exactly those 20-50 year considerations (i.e. the Romar siding) are being extinguished. There physically are no abutting sites on the whole of the Worcester Line east of Framingham that can ever establish new customers capable of taking high-and-wides. The property just isn't there within rail access, and most of the historical sites that used to have sidings (like the whole New Balance area, which used to be its own thicket of spurs till the early-90's) have been flat-out rezoned away from industrial. There's $0 in theoretical on-line freight revenue left on the whole route absent any available industrial zoning. The functional extinction that came with Beacon Park's closing is now legally extinct with the extinguishing of the Romar easement and Houghton contract.

That includes access to Everett. There'll never ever be impetus to hold onto that Framingham-Allston clearance for purposes of clearing the currently Plate B-restricted Grand Junction for CSX when Pan Am can take Plate F loads from CSX-Worcester all the to BET, take Plate E loads from BET to Everett, and only needs some inexpensive track undercutting around a couple Sullivan Sq. overpasses to uprate the last restricted leg from E-to-F to complete the circuit. If Harbor dredging and Everett Terminal upgrades ever send the upside of rail access there so sky-high that a currently indifferent CSX sees the need to go big on chasing greater carloads there, the state will chuck in any necessary payola covering the cost/convenience difference of having PAR do Worcester-Everett haulage on CSX's behalf rather than duplicate routings with public capital $$$ to clear the Grand Junction.


It's not as if every train that departs down the Framingham Sec. on those few dailies feature high-and-wides to begin with. Readville only spots the occasional 60 ft. boxcar; depending on what the day's car manifest is they very often don't need to flip the edges on the Upper Franklin mini-highs at all. The Mansfield-Attleboro local and Attleboro-Middleboro local/interchange run are similarly incidental on high-and-wide car counts, with most of the Mass Coastal interchange's Plate F traffic being theoretical for the future when the still-new shortline can take advantage of ongoing MassDOT infrastructure upgrades. There it's a strategic consideration more than a traffic reality. CSX bartered off a lot of territory to the shortlines, and figures to do more dumps in the future (e.g. Attleboro-Middleboro-Braintree to MC). In exchange it expects those shortlines will put in due-diligence elbow grease to generate business, so CSX can make higher margins at the interchanges than it could wasting its own time running door-to-door. Policing the clearances against infringement for a couple piddling runs today is protection for real future profit increases that may come out of the fruits of MC's labor at the interchange (be it M'boro or a retreat to Attleboro Jct. in the next territory dump).

With Readville, it's simply a matter of that being their only finger left touching Boston and Route 128 after the Beacon Park dump so they're damn well not going to gamble any further after giving up so much. Southie and Quincy port traffic are only Plate C because of clearances on the Fairmount Line, Southampton/Widett, and Old Colony/Fore River Branch to Braintree, so that isn't a driver. It's the mere fact that Readville's a Plate F-accessible underutilized yard bordered by underutilized industrial-zoned property; 50+ year revenue considerations exist here in a way they physically and zoning-wise no longer do on the inner Worcester Line. Readville might be spotting no more than the odd handful of 60-footers per week until the end of time, but the mere existence of those industrial and yard properties abutting a clearance route conveys intrinsic monetary value whether CSX can be motivated to utilize it or not. The functional revenue difference between this corridor and Allston-Framingham might be slight in real $$$ in 2017, but the zoned industrial and yard properties still exist on the L-shaped route to Readville here whereas they no longer do (not even as paper easements) inbound of Framingham. And that's the sum total difference why they'll oppose any infringement till the end of time on the Framingham Sec. + Upper Franklin clearances they barely use while willingly letting go of the clearances to Allston they used used 24/7 until a few years ago.

It's the difference between intrinsic long-term property values of one route being >$0 vs. one route being =$0.
 #1427493  by BandA
 
Commonwealth Avenue bridge at Cottage Farm is going to be replaced this summer, AND next! It will be a disaster on the Ma$$ Pike Extension, express bus service will be decimated, Green Line "B" Boston College line will be bustituted, and the BU Bridge will be closed to vehicles. Apparently only buses & bicycles are being accommodated throughout

Commuter Rail AND Amtrak will terminate at Boston Landing and be bustituted weekend only apparently.
and two weekends of commuter rail service to Worcester will be affected, along with Amtrak’s Lake Shore Limited service, with buses replacing trains for portions of each journey (July 29-30 and Aug. 5-6).
This would be a great opportunity to take a temporary reroute onto the Grand Junction to North Station via Kendall ;)

The greatest impact will be on the $Pike, which should drive a weekday ridership spike on commuter rail
After a June 2-4 dry run to test traffic flow, during which the Mass. Pike will be narrowed to two lanes in each direction, the setup for the bridge project begins on July 7, when travel is reduced to three lanes in each direction between the Beacon Street overpass and the Allston interchange.

That drops to two lanes each way from July 28 to Aug. 7
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/ ... story.html
 #1427501  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
BandA wrote:This would be a great opportunity to take a temporary reroute onto the Grand Junction to North Station via Kendall ;)[/b]
No can do. The junction at the northside end is in disarray because of GLX construction track-shifting and the crossing protection needs reliability upgrades throughout before it can carry passengers (slowly).
 #1427504  by GP40MC1118
 
There's no GLX constructions issues right now at Swift, but the biggest problem would be not being to directly access the Fitchburg
mainline coming or going there. You'd have to go through the layover yard to do that or do time-consuming zig-zag moves at Swift.
If you go through the yard, you'd have to stop all switching and other activity and the like.

Besides the grade crossing issues on the GJRT, the temporary track situation at CP-3 would require yet another zig-zag move.

And then there's the issue of capacity at North Station to boot - a continuing problem after 230PM through the rush hour. Bad enough
Amtrak Downeaster's plank themselves there for extended periods. Even pulling them out presents problems like where to put them
without degrading flexibility in the Terminal/Tower A district.

D
 #1427550  by BandA
 
It's two weekends. Gotta spread around the disruption ;) I think it might be good as a "demonstration" for the Cantabrigians to see that it isn't so bad, and if it is something can be done about the crossings. They can flag the few crossings in Cambridge. I don't know as much about BET, don't know what their bandwidth is on weekends...

OR, since they have to stop at Boston Landing, make just one more stop at at Main St & Vasser, then just reverse!! It would rock. No need to cross Broadway or Cambridge St!! Just manually flag & control Mass Ave and Main St. And they can switch easily to the Red Line or walk to Lechmere, leaving more room on the shuttle buses to crawl through potential apocalypse workzone and 1900 roadways for an extra 1/2 hour+
 #1427553  by BandA
 
On reflection, Bustitution could be Everett Ave. to Western Ave to Ma$$ Pike Allston, one or more bus to BBY, one to BOS. Probably okay on weekend.
 #1427834  by dbperry
 
New blog post: consolidated schedule that includes extra trains for Marathon Monday.

http://framwormbta.weebly.com/blog/spec ... -announced" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 #1428210  by StefanW
 
(I'm not sure if this post should be here or in the status of single track through beacon yard topic.)

Anyway...

In this 4/12/17 MBTA news post http://mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_eve ... 6442457926" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; regarding the Spring schedules in effect Monday May 22 it also says:
Boston Landing Station Open
Service to Boston Landing Station on the Worcester line begins on Monday, May 22, 2017.
 #1428560  by BandA
 
Good, give them a taste of Newtonville, West Newton and Auburndale's suffering. It costs less to drive my car, with only a 20% load factor, including depreciation, gas, maintenance and paying the newly increased tolls on the Ma$$ Turnpike Extension than it costs to take the Commuter Rail. And the Commuter Rail loses money, and the Taxx Turnpike Extension turns an operating profit that goes to unfairly pay for commuters traveling I-93. And my car breaks down much less frequently than the Commuter Rail.
 #1428562  by BandA
 
Here's a suggested rate structure. Charge 21 cents per mile. Add $2 congestion charge for South and North Stations only. Not Back Bay. Add 25 cents per ticket if less than monthly pass. Increase the fares 5-10% a year, every year until break even or passengers stop riding. Apply similar distance-fare structure to Rapid-Transit lines.
 #1428593  by Rbts Stn
 
I think the Boston Landing zone info makes sense if they are expecting most of the traffic to be Interzone -- from the west and terminating at Boston Landing for the businesses there, and heading home to the west at night, as opposed to the ridiculous charge to go from Boston Landing to South Station in the morning. At those prices it makes little sense.

But yeah, Zone 1 is broke.
 #1428595  by deathtopumpkins
 
I'm not sure what the issue is with this station being in Zone 1. Based on distance, I'd say it could go either way, but the station is intended for suburban commuters coming in to the New Balance development. Placing it in Zone 1 makes the cost of a pass a lot more enticing, and will likely lure more people onto the train instead of the Pike. Even if it was Zone 1A, very few Brighton residents would use it - the limited schedules, lack of free transfers, and fact that peak hour trains will be standing room only, means that it is still going to make more sense to take the bus to the Green Line, as is presently done. The B line is only half a mile to the south.
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