• Framingham/Worcester Line Questions

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Discussion relating to commuter rail, light rail, and subway operations of the MBTA.

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  by BandA
 
I thought they finished the de-stressing project several years ago. I think Conrail/CSX destressed the rails but didn't maintain the records sufficient to satisfy the T. And you don't de-stress rail if it is worn out and will just need to be replaced.
  by Komarovsky
 
You're right, they did that 2015-2016, we even talked about it here! framingham-worcester-destressing-project-t159622.html

From what's written in that thread, it looks like only track 1 was done west of Framingham.
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  by JacobKoppel
 
johnpbarlow wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:02 am Would both of these trains or just one be headed for the MBTA and where is the rail to be used?
The Fairport log is wrong given how these 2 combined rail trains are not for MBTA. These rail trains are actually the first rails for the Pan Am system. Specifically for the Pan Am Worcester Main Line between Worcester and Ayer (Not the Keolis Worcester Main Line)
  by JacobKoppel
 
west point wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:36 pm Is it possible that the rail Boston to Wocester that CSX never stressed properly and sold to MBTA has too many failures? Could be new CWR less costly.
Unfortunately the CSX rails already in place there are from 2008 and 136Lb rail. There is nothing wrong with it except for minor wear on the gauge side of the head on curves. The track foreman is happy since his team will not need to replace the tie plates since the new rail is also 136lbs. However he too agrees that this rail job not completely unnecessary and there are much better uses for the rail that came in on that Welded Rail Train last month.

When the rails were ordered a while back, the plan was for them to be laid on the B&M jointed rail section of the Gloucester Branch. However week of and MBTA realized that they don't have a siding big enough to store the Welded rail train on the GB so they used track 2 on the Worcester Main Line as a "throw away spot" to drop the rails.
  by bostontrainguy
 
JacobKoppel wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:50 pm
johnpbarlow wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:02 am Would both of these trains or just one be headed for the MBTA and where is the rail to be used?
The Fairport log is wrong given how these 2 combined rail trains are not for MBTA. These rail trains are actually the first rails for the Pan Am system. Specifically for the Pan Am Worcester Main Line between Worcester and Ayer (Not the Keolis Worcester Main Line)
That's great to hear.
  by BandA
 
If the rail is too long for the Gloucester Line, how will they get it there? Will they have to cut the continuously welded rail? So now they have to come back, pick it up, move it to the destination the day they want to use it?
  by twropr
 
What are the maximum speeds on the Worcester Line east and west of Framingham?
Will any of the Worcester Line be upgraded as part of the Inland Route project that
MA is sponsoring?
Thanks
Andy
  by MBTA F40PH-2C 1050
 
depends on which section of track you are operating over. The max speed is 79 mph, few miles here and there, the majority of the line is 60. A third track and an additional future CP 15 are the plans for the upgrades between CP 11 and CP 21. Like with everything on the RR, I'll believe it when I see it
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  by johnpbarlow
 
Bumping this elderly thread to ask a quick question: will the Beacon Park dirt dirt removal project end prior to the completion of the Natick Center station's high level platform construction and the resulting realignment of track 1? The station construction is supposed to complete in Winter 2024 per the MBTA. Or will the containers clear the new platform?
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  by bostontrainguy
 
Probably should clear, but once the station is completed there is supposed to be a third through track down the middle that would allow non-existent freight to pass.
  by johnpbarlow
 
From what I’ve read, the 3rd track would be done in some follow on phase after the 3 Wellesley and W Natick stops are improved to accommodate the express track. Target completion date is no sooner than 2030.
  by bostontrainguy
 
Are they also going to have express tracks? Is the third track going to be restored from 128 all the way to Framingham?
  by Commuterrail1050
 
I believe the newton stops will also be upgraded along with the Wellesley and natick stops from what I understand.
  by The EGE
 
Two separate projects.

The third track project is to stretch from CP-11 in Weston to CP-21 just east of Framingham, a total of 10.2 miles. A new interlocking, CP-15, would be added just west of Wellesley Square. The four non-accessible stations on the segment - West Natick plus the three Wellesley stops* - would be rebuilt for the triple track with full-length high level platforms. A design contract was issued in June 2021, with projected design completion in mid-2025. Total construction costs were estimated in the $400M range, completion in late 2030.

Separately, the three Newton stations are planned for reconstruction. That project has been rather bumpy. The MBTA first presented designs with one platform, with no traffic modeling. That did not go over well. Then they started designing proper two-platform stations, but abruptly stopped in 2023 because the costs were out of control. The latest update has them planning 400-foot-long platforms - supposedly to save on cost - that won't be able to accommodate the length of trains that are normally run. That's not going over well either.

*Wellesley Square may get temporary mini-high platforms within the next year or two. If the new temporary mini-highs they just installed at Beverly are deemed successful, they plan to built them at Wellesley Square, Franklin, Walpole, and West Medford pending full reconstructions of those stations.
  by craven
 
I don't understand why a third rail would be needed for express running as there are plenty of areas where high speed switches could be used to move trains.

Sections such as Newton to Wellesley Farms. Wellesley downtown to Natick center, and Natick center to West Natick are excellent choices to create live sidings for passing trains.
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