• Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

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Discussion relating to commuter rail, light rail, and subway operations of the MBTA.

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  by CRail
 
They are not F40-2s. The only -2 that’s no longer active was wrecked in 1990.
  by GP40MC1118
 
Two MBB coaches stored at Davisville, R.U. are now up at auction for scrap. The 513 & 1516

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  by jmar896
 
The common word has been the frames and floors of the MBBs are rotting out - from the pictures of the two being auctioned it looks like they were checked for that, and from a visual perspective they actually look to be in quite good shape. Hell, they look better than the frame of a 2011 F150 I worked on!
  by RenegadeMonster
 
Are the frames rotting out because they are in storage? Or is it a problem effecting the entire fleet and causing the retirement / Out Of Service status?
  by Backshophoss
 
Believe it's an internal structure design of the MBBs,along the lines of a stucture defect that took out a NYCTA subway car fleet(Bad under frames).
That structure is NOT repairable.
  by Otto Vondrak
 
Can someone please help me with retirement and disposition dates for the following work engines? I'm trying to trace what happened to the former SEMTA diesel roster. Thanks in advance!

MBTA 901
MBTA 902
MBTA 903
MBTA 904
MBTA 905 (CNZR 905)

-otto-
  by BostonUrbEx
 
The 904 still lives on as work train power, Otto! Considering she is the oldest engine on the property, even when accounting for rebuilds, she is incredibly reliable.
  by Mass Coastal 2010
 
902 is now at IRM...been up there since 2014 or 2015.
Mike
  by diburning
 
From what I can dig up on the internet; (so I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info)

MBTA 901 - Sold to GMRC. Forever sat on a dead line. Presumably scrapped for parts
MBTA 902 - Was operated by MBTA, had an electrical fire, sold to IRM.
MBTA 903 - Purchased as a parts unit, never operated for the MBTA.
MBTA 904 - Still in service
MBTA 905 (CNZR 905) - Most recent photo I saw was of it sitting on a siding with ex-MBTA 1922 in Connecticut. Presumably stashed there as a parts source
  by BandA
 
Backshophoss wrote:Believe it's an internal structure design of the MBBs,along the lines of a stucture defect that took out a NYCTA subway car fleet(Bad under frames).
That structure is NOT repairable.
Why is the underframe not repairable? Just bolt or weld together some helper I-beams?

If it is an unsafe defect, why haven't the cars been condemned & removed immediately instead of being leased to CT?
  by Otto Vondrak
 
diburning wrote:From what I can dig up on the internet; (so I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info)

MBTA 901 - Sold to GMRC. Forever sat on a dead line. Presumably scrapped for parts
MBTA 902 - Was operated by MBTA, had an electrical fire, sold to IRM.
MBTA 903 - Purchased as a parts unit, never operated for the MBTA.
MBTA 904 - Still in service
MBTA 905 (CNZR 905) - Most recent photo I saw was of it sitting on a siding with ex-MBTA 1922 in Connecticut. Presumably stashed there as a parts source
Thank you.

When was 901 sold to GMRC?

When was 905 sold to CNZR?

-otto-
  by GP40MC1118
 
Otto:

From my current roster:

901 GP10 EMD BN: 22856 Blt: 1/57 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 901, GTW GP9 4908
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1979/1980. Sold 10/93 to James Grant,Inc. (GMRC) and off-property
4/08/94. Departed Boston via Amtrak mid-June 1994. Destined North.Walpole, N.H. Moved 1997 to Burlington,
Vt. and stripped for parts. Down to just the frame by early 2000.

902 GP10 EMD BN: 22863 Blt: 1/57 FN: 5514-9 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 902, GTW GP9 4915
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1/80. Ditch lights installed 8/95. Cab Signals 3/96. Sold or donated 8/14
to Illinois Railroad Museum as IRMX 902. Departs 11/10/14. Arrives 1/19/15 via UP.

903 GP18 EMD BN: 25740 Blt: 3/60 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 903, GTW GP18 4950
Notes: Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale fell through. Resold 10/94 to Naparano (N.J.).Remained unclaimed
as of 7/95, moved to Yard 7 East Cambridge, Ma. and scrapped. Gone by 8/04/95.

904 GP19 EMD BN: 25742 Blt: 3/60 FN: 5613-3 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 904, GTW GP18 4952
Notes: Rebuilt Peaker Services 7/81. Peaker rebuild plate shows it as a GP19. Ditch lights installed 7/95. Cab signals
5/96. ACSES installed 3/00 Readville, Ma.

905 GP10 EMD BN: 22139 Blt: 8/56 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 905, MBTA GP9 7559, CR 7559, PC 7559, NH 1229
Notes: Rebuilt 10/06/78 ICG/Paducah. (Note: Paducah plate shows 1/80). Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale
fell through. Resold 10/94 to A.J. Belliveau RR Construction (Newington, Ct.). Shipped from Boston as CCCL 905
(Connecticut Central). Stored East Hartford, Ct. as of 1/04. Transferred to CNZR and move 3/09 to Bloomfield/Windsor
  by Backshophoss
 
MassDOT cherry picked Some of the MBBs that were in fair enough condition for possible Springfield-Greenfield commuter service.
Then got ConnDOT to foot the repair bill on those cars! :P
There 're cars being used for the MBTA ACSES Test train service that are barely useable for any passenger service.
Any MBB's still at Seaview yard are long outdated airbrake wise and were not setup for storage ,"put away wet"
had some form of structure issues found by MBCR employees,during the contractor change over period .
  by Otto Vondrak
 
GP40MC1118 wrote:Otto:

From my current roster:

901 GP10 EMD BN: 22856 Blt: 1/57 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 901, GTW GP9 4908
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1979/1980. Sold 10/93 to James Grant,Inc. (GMRC) and off-property
4/08/94. Departed Boston via Amtrak mid-June 1994. Destined North.Walpole, N.H. Moved 1997 to Burlington,
Vt. and stripped for parts. Down to just the frame by early 2000.

902 GP10 EMD BN: 22863 Blt: 1/57 FN: 5514-9 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 902, GTW GP9 4915
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1/80. Ditch lights installed 8/95. Cab Signals 3/96. Sold or donated 8/14
to Illinois Railroad Museum as IRMX 902. Departs 11/10/14. Arrives 1/19/15 via UP.

903 GP18 EMD BN: 25740 Blt: 3/60 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 903, GTW GP18 4950
Notes: Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale fell through. Resold 10/94 to Naparano (N.J.).Remained unclaimed
as of 7/95, moved to Yard 7 East Cambridge, Ma. and scrapped. Gone by 8/04/95.

904 GP19 EMD BN: 25742 Blt: 3/60 FN: 5613-3 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 904, GTW GP18 4952
Notes: Rebuilt Peaker Services 7/81. Peaker rebuild plate shows it as a GP19. Ditch lights installed 7/95. Cab signals
5/96. ACSES installed 3/00 Readville, Ma.

905 GP10 EMD BN: 22139 Blt: 8/56 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 905, MBTA GP9 7559, CR 7559, PC 7559, NH 1229
Notes: Rebuilt 10/06/78 ICG/Paducah. (Note: Paducah plate shows 1/80). Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale
fell through. Resold 10/94 to A.J. Belliveau RR Construction (Newington, Ct.). Shipped from Boston as CCCL 905
(Connecticut Central). Stored East Hartford, Ct. as of 1/04. Transferred to CNZR and move 3/09 to Bloomfield/Windsor
Tremendously helpful. Thank you very much.

-otto-
  by GP40MC1118
 
Auction on the MBB coaches and the two F40's closed this afternoon:

Costello Dismantling won both groups:

1009 & 1014 - $4,050.00

MBB 513 & 1516 - $3,900.00
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