• The big ax just fell. Long distance to 3x/week.

  • Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.
Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by west point
 
Passenger service 50years ago might have been outmoded . But how much of that was due to the legacy RRs doing eveerything to geet rid of passenger trains. The example of Europe and the additional passenger miles each year and the now turnaround of overnight trains may point to something in the future. How can any onesay trains are obsolete when none of the present LD trains has been able to guage the true demand due to constrained capacity. The rebuilding of AM-1s after 2009 showed that demand followed the additional capacity.

We look at LD availability today and only a few very high priced seats are available in spite of Covid-19. With the new Siemens cars soon to go into service we may get some idea if they displace enough cars to LD trains otherwise we will never know.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
The "metrics":

TRAINS Newswire

Fair Use:
.Amtrak has released information on the measurements it will use to determine restoration of long-distance service after the service is cut to triweekly, which is currently planned for Oct. 1. The three metrics to be used are:

— Public health: .

— Future demand:

— Current performance:

If all three criteria are met for a given route, service will be restored to daily levels as early as May 2021 and no later than June 30, 2021
WELL Volks, that's what they say. The windows are open and taking bets.
  by electricron
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:51 am The "metrics":

TRAINS Newswire
Fair Use:
.Amtrak has released information on the measurements it will use to determine restoration of long-distance service after the service is cut to triweekly, which is currently planned for Oct. 1. The three metrics to be used are:
— Public health: .
— Future demand:
— Current performance:
If all three criteria are met for a given route, service will be restored to daily levels as early as May 2021 and no later than June 30, 2021
WELL Volks, that's what they say. The windows are open and taking bets.
They need to add a fourth bullet point that has been true for every previous decrease in service, future state subsidies to increase service levels.
  by mtuandrew
 
electricron wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:31 amThey need to add a fourth bullet point that has been true for every previous decrease in service, future state subsidies to increase service levels.
For LD service? Unless you’re talking about station improvements or investment in host railroads, states aren’t giving money to Amtrak for those.
  by Pensyfan19
 
So just to be clear, does this mean Amtrak is rejecting the 26 BILLION dollars in funding by reducing services? If so, then Amtrak is bscially trying so save money they lose with LDs by rejecting $26 billion in funding... Seems logical... [sarcasm]

This is the appropriations bill I am referring to: https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2 ... -get-funds
  by gokeefe
 

Gilbert B Norman wrote:WELL Volks, that's what they say. The windows are open and taking bets.
Lake Shore Limited will be in the first round. First Western transcontinental will be the Empire Builder. Even money that the Sunset Limited remains tri-weekly "indefinitely".



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  by mtuandrew
 
Pensyfan19 wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:33 am So just to be clear, does this mean Amtrak is rejecting the 26 BILLION dollars in funding by reducing services? If so, then Amtrak is bscially trying so save money they lose with LDs by rejecting $26 billion in funding... Seems logical... [sarcasm]

This is the appropriations bill I am referring to: https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2 ... -get-funds
That bill hasn’t made it to the House floor, let alone to the Senate or the White House. Amtrak is planning for the worst.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. O'Keefe, what will be interesting is that if the Lake Shore is to be tri-weeklied, will there be an attempt to have it run on the days away from the Cardinal on its existing 3x schedule, so that they can still say "single seat/room 6x"?

Further, will the Capitol Ltd be 3x'd on days away from Lake Shore so that, again, they can claim 6x to places along the NS/NYC? i.e. Cleveland, Toledo, Bryan OH.

Again I reiterate; Murray Hamilton saying to Dustin Hoffman: instead of "plastics", "OPTICS".
  by electricron
 
mtuandrew wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:22 am For LD service? Unless you’re talking about station improvements or investment in host railroads, states aren’t giving money to Amtrak for those.
Sunset Limited east of NOLA and North Shore Hiawatha in Montana are two examples where Amtrak is asking for state subsidies to reopen a decrease of long distance services.
Shucks, they even asked for state subsidies keeping the SW Chief running in Colorado, northern NM, and western Kansas, before even reducing services.
  by eolesen
 
Pensyfan19 wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:33 am So just to be clear, does this mean Amtrak is rejecting the 26 BILLION dollars in funding by reducing services? If so, then Amtrak is bscially trying so save money they lose with LDs by rejecting $26 billion in funding... Seems logical... [sarcasm]

This is the appropriations bill I am referring to: https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2 ... -get-funds
I wouldn't count on that money ever showing up.
  by prokowave
 
While it comes as no surprise since the administration is waging war on public services of all types, there's no point in pretending there was any attempt at an objective set of guidelines to restore service. There is no way future bookings can reach 90% of previous levels with the reduced connectivity and lack of travel flexibility that results from 3 weekly services. It is too easy to manipulate with over-optimistic projections and over-pricing tickets.

I would wager that the Sunset Limited and Cardinal will outperform most other routes by this metric since the service is already so poor, ridership can't get much worse.

If the Feds can throw around trillions of dollars saving airlines and the like, there's no good reason to not do the same for Amtrak.
  by mtuandrew
 
The current Feds are actively disinterested in funding anything that looks like a social program, from Medicaid to the Postal Service. (There are many more layers to this, but now isn’t the time or place.) Amtrak may be on that list, an agency that was too popular to kill but now could perish due to pandemic-related political and economic conditions.
  by RRspatch
 
mtuandrew wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:11 pm The current Feds are actively disinterested in funding anything that looks like a social program, from Medicaid to the Postal Service. (There are many more layers to this, but now isn’t the time or place.) Amtrak may be on that list, an agency that was too popular to kill but now could perish due to pandemic-related political and economic conditions.
Hopefully there will be a change in leadership this fall that might change things in passenger rail's favor. Another thing to remember is that once Covid-19 is past us another HUGE challenge awaits us .... Climate Change. Yes, remember Climate Change which was an issue before the virus showed up? Well the planet continues to warm and this trend will only get worse in the coming years. Countries around the world are investing heavily in passenger rail and sooner or later we'll have to do the same.
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