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 #34266  by Idiot Railfan
 
Maybe this has been discussed already, but I hear the NS takeover of the D&H from CP is happening, and very soon according to some officials in Binghamton. They said D&H employees are now being brought onto the NS payroll, and that CP will retain trackage rights on the former D&H.

 #34291  by Otto Vondrak
 
Unless you have some proof (like an STB filing) this is just the usual railroader's BS. NS and CP have agreed to some operational alignment which will probably see more NS traffic run over the former D&H, but not much more than that.

-otto-

 #34301  by Idiot Railfan
 
Actually, it's the Canadian National that is looking to gain trackages rights. This comes from four NS employees, two of whom were CP employees a week ago.
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 #34325  by thannon
 
I would guess that somehow they were granted rights with the CP ridding itself of Buffalo as an area of operations. As much as NS might want to shift the CP traffic to existing trains, I don't think they would be able to handle it all. Especially if 30T/31T are switched off the Tier.

Tom H>

 #34373  by DutchRailnut
 
CPR took the D&H off market after signing a new trackage right agreement with NS.

CPR, NS restructure Northeast operations

Canadian Pacific Railway and Norfolk Southern have revised and expanded their existing operating agreements in the northeastern U.S. to include new trackage rights, haulage rights, and classification yard services agreements, subject to approval by the U.S. Surface Transportation Board. The new arrangement, which involves CPR’s northeastern U.S. subsidiary Delaware & Hudson Railway, "will increase operational efficiency and enhance rail service to customers," the two railroads said in a statement.

CPR had previously announced that it was restructuring its unprofitable D&H operations and "was seeking proposals for ways to increase freight volumes, reduce operating costs, and improve earnings." The new agreement with NS, President and CEO Rob Ritchie said, will do just that. It is designed "to take this part of our network to a level of profitability that will make it self-sustaining," Ritchie said. He added that CPR "is prepared to examine additional measures that, in concert with our NS agreement, will further optimize our assets and drive up profitability"—raising speculation among industry observers that the agreement may be a precursor of a sale of the D&H to NS.

Under the agreement, CPR and NS will consolidate classification yard operations in Buffalo and Binghamton, N.Y. CPR will discontinue yard operations in Buffalo, shifting all activity to the NS yard there; NS will shift its yard operations in Binghamton to CPR’s East Binghamton yard.

CPR will move NS traffic between Rouses Point and Saratoga Springs, N.Y., under a haulage agreement, thereby increasing CPR revenue. NS will operate its own trains over CPR’s Saratoga Springs-Binghamton line under a trackage rights agreement that will provide NS with a substantially shorter route to Quebec and the Maritime provinces. NS will haul CPR’s Binghamton-Buffalo traffic, replacing a trackage rights agreement under which CPR operated its own trains between the two cities, thereby reducing CPR’s operating costs and generating additional revenue for NS.

In addition, under a trackage rights agreement, CPR will operate over a new NS connection that will link Detroit directly with Chicago. NS will be building a connection at Butler, Ind., where its Detroit-Fort Wayne and Chicago-Toledo lines currently cross at grade. The new NS route will be considerably shorter than CSX Transportation’s Detroit-Grand Rapids-Chicago line that CPR is currently using under a haulage rights agreement.

NS Chairman, President, and CEO David Goode described the new agreement with CPR as "an excellent example of railroads cooperating to better serve our customers."

 #34411  by fglk
 
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 #34458  by RailBus63
 
The D&H has effectively been 'for sale' for years now. It's a marginal operation at best - CP hasn't been able to make it profitable, and if the D&H had any real value, Norfolk Southern would have bought it by now. The new agreement at least allows CP to salvage some value out of the D&H.

NS is the real winner here - they get to open up new traffic lanes without having to maintain and operate the entire railroad, plus they get to shut down their Binghamton yard and save money.

JD

 #34480  by fglk
 
Seems like nobody has much luck with makeing a profit with the D&H.
Did Guilford ever make anything on the D&H?? Or has the D&H been hurting long sents befor both the Guilford and CP Buy outs??

 #34514  by johnpbarlow
 
In the olden days (ie, pre-Conrail monopoly), I recall the D&H made money while PC, LV, EL, RDG, were losing $. Being a Bridge Line was a good thing as there were mostly high speed, money making, through freights that required limited yarding. And of course there were more manufactured products shipping to/from New England (ie, the B&M) 30-40 years ago.