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General discussion of passenger rail systems not otherwise covered in the specific forums in this category, including high speed rail.

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 #1386231  by R36 Combine Coach
 
The USDOT has an "Essential Air Service" program which provides federally subsidized passenger airline service to rural and low-density areas and smaller communities, usually as connecting shuttles or feeder flights to nearby major hub cities.

Would a "Essential Rail Service" program be a feasible concept? The Canadian Government does have such a policy, with VIA passenger service in Northern Ontario and Quebec and the on the Hudson Bay and Keewatin lines as well as flag stops in rural communities along the Canadian route. Ontario Northland provides service between Cochrane and Moosonee, and Algoma Central ran scheduled service until a funding crisis a year ago.

In a Essential Rail Service program, service could be provided by local or state agencies or by freight railroad carriers (Class I, regional carrier or shortline) under contract. Such service is a form of rural mass transit, which would provide additional transportation choices and potential economic growth in smaller communities.

Note: Some might consider Amtrak's western LD routes as a form of essential rail service, but will not be part of the discussion here.
 #1386234  by electricron
 
Before we start worrying about providing "essential" rail services to communities in the middle of nowhere. we start providing rail services to large cities not having rail services today. Such as Nashville Louisville, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Columbus, Mobile, and Tallahassee, etc. There's lots of cities in American with over 100,000 population not serviced with a Amtrak train at all, and a few with over 1,000,000 not serviced with a daily train.
 #1386292  by mtuandrew
 
Taking in mind electricron's notes, I like the idea*, R36. What would your criteria be, and where do you have in mind?

* I'd imagine that the Starlight, Builder, Zephyr, Chief, Sunset, Eagle, Cardinal, Cap, Pennsylvanian, Vermonter, and Ethan Allen already serve some Essential Rail Service, more so than other lines which directly parallel major interstates and have fewer weather problems.
 #1386350  by TomNelligan
 
If promoting mobility in rural areas is the goal, then I'm afraid that an "Essential Bus Service" program with basically zero infrastructure startup costs and a much lower operating cost would be the only thing that would have even a tiny chance of getting funding in the current confrontational political climate.
 #1386394  by Ken V
 
Remote service in Canada was mentioned as an example. The thing to keep in mind is that these trains serve towns and villages that have poor or no road access which makes driving not an option. The only transportation alternatives these communities may have is air (helicopter / float plane) or water (canoe / kayak). Are there any areas within the continental United States under similar circumstances?
 #1386397  by mtuandrew
 
Ken V: Not much outside of Alaska, and the ARR already runs accommodation service. Otherwise... maybe bits of the Appalachian and Rocky Mountain ranges? There's really not a lot that is served by rail and not by highway here; mostly stuff that would be served more/as effectively by rail than by highway.
 #1386453  by ExCon90
 
Along the lines of TomNelligan's post, I think the starting point has to be what Congress might be willing to consider, and which members would be prepared to sponsor it--whether rail or bus.
 #1386475  by mtuandrew
 
bdawe wrote:it's the kind of thing that foreign DMU designs were meant for.

What a pity they're illegal
Some are illegal, some are usable by waiver (Stadler), some are grandfathered (RDC), and some are FRA-compliant (Nippon Sharyo.)

Seems like DMUs might be good for essential rail service (ERS) where weather would permit (snow or rock slides), or where the added protection of a full locomotive (against heavy freight rail or truck traffic) isn't necessary. ERS would also be a good home for cascaded F40s, HEPped Geeps, or one of the genset/high-RPM small mfr products. No need to waste a 110 mph, 4200 hp Genesis on 60 mph, 1500 hp service!

ExCon: and how willing the host railroads would be... when Amtrak checks in, it rarely checks out.
 #1386503  by R36 Combine Coach
 
mtuandrew wrote: I like the idea*, R36. What would your criteria be, and where do you have in mind?
The "ERS" service does not mean intercity or LD per se, and could include local, regional and intrastate services. Examples would be low-density counties already on freight lines and that can be linked to serve communities together. Example: service linking from a regional hub/anchor city or county seat to smaller towns along the line. Branch line services would also be an interest, as "feeder" service (much like the "Essential Air" program). In this example, communities on a branch line or shortline would see service operate to a hub/anchor city, especially if there is Amtrak/commuter service, Greyhound or an intermodal (bus/rail) terminal located there. Service could be 2-3 times per week, daily, or multiple daily round trips, with each case on a unique basis. A maximum "cap" on mileage for a route to be considered an essential rail program would be determined.
mtuandrew wrote:I'd imagine that the Starlight, Builder, Zephyr, Chief, Sunset, Eagle, Cardinal, Cap, Pennsylvanian, Vermonter and Ethan Allen already serve some Essential Rail Service, more so than other lines which directly parallel major interstates and have fewer weather problems.

There's really not a lot that is served by rail and not by highway; mostly stuff that would be served more/as effectively by rail than by highway.
Also note some Amtrak LD routes do parallel main highways. The Builder more or less directly parallels U.S. Route 2 between North Dakota and Everett, WA (U.S. 2 being a full 4-lane highway in ND). The Vermonter follows I-89/91 north of SPG. And the Starlight follows U.S. Route 101 (a freeway) south of the Bay Area, and largely I-5 from Sacramento north.

While there is a well-developed Interstate Highway system throughout much of the United States, high-speed freeways are an uncommon concept in Canadian transportation, except in Ontario, Quebec and parts of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Even the Trans-Canada Highway is largely 2-lane, undivided local road (a 4-lane divided highway in Western Provinces).
 #1386568  by ExCon90
 
mtuandrew wrote:ExCon: and how willing the host railroads would be... when Amtrak checks in, it rarely checks out.
Oh, right--that too. And what if any legislation included a provision requiring the freight railroad to host the operation? Things get tacked onto bills as they work their way through, especially in committee late at night after all the hearings have been held.
 #1386715  by Ken W2KB
 
The freight railroad would be entitled to be paid the full costs, including lost opportunity costs such as adverse impacts on freight business, liability indemnification, perhaps a portion of capital costs, at a minimum, of hosting such operation. Otherwise it would be an unlawful taking under the Constitition.
 #1386753  by ExCon90
 
It certainly would, but that wouldn't necessarily stop Congress from enacting it to impress the folks back home, leaving the whole thing to work its way through the courts.
 #1386770  by mtuandrew
 
Ken & ExCon: We'll see how right-of-access and right-of-priority shakes out in any further action on DOT v. AAR. DOT directive may not be enough to insert Amtrak service, at least not with a reasonable certainty of on-time performance.
 #1392837  by Anthony
 
Chicago-Rockford-Dubuque (the Black Hawk) and Chicago-Janesville-Madison (the Varsity) would be two rail services that are desperately needed due to high traffic congestion along parallel highways between these cities, and have great ridership potential due to the size of the towns along the routes as well as factors like tourism and more people in train-riding-demographics (college students, young adults, elderly, and low income folks) living in or traveling between those towns regularly. (like Dubuque and Madison) that would be perfect for this kind of funding arrangement. The first route would be a candidate for this because IL is broke and has a legislature and governor that both know little more than how to bicker over a budget. The second one would be a candidate because WI has no interest in subsidizing passenger trains beyond levels that the Hiawatha takes.