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 #737590  by SST
 
I was just reading a clip from Air Transport World in regards to Chinese airlines facing competition from their high speed trains. This is certainly a switch from the airlines taking away passengers from rail:

"Chinese airlines are facing the prospect of canceling once-profitable domestic routes owing to increasing competition from high-speed rail. Spring Airlines, the country's most successful LCC, has stopped flying from Shanghai to both Zhengzhou and Wuhan because it was losing passengers to the train. "Currently our solution is to avoid opening short-haul routes that are shorter than 1,000 km.," a Spring spokesperson said.Sichuan Airlines will shutter its Chengdu-Chongqing service on Nov. 16 as loads have fallen below 50%.

China Southern Airlines Chairman Si Xianmin recently admitted that high-speed rail is a more attractive option for passengers because of its better safety record, convenience and lower fares. "We have more than 160 domestic routes, with about 38 competing against high-speed rail. Most of China's big cities and secondary cities will be connected by high-speed rail by 2020, which will have a big impact on domestic carriers," he said. In response, CZ intends to expand its international network and allocate more capacity to profitable international routes. It plans to raise its proportion of international routes from the current 17% to 20% in the next 3-5 years.


by Katie Cantle"

Is our high speed rail going to be able to compete with USAir, JetBlue, Delta and Continental to NY?
 #738555  by kaitoku
 
Well, if peak oil ever rears its ugly head, the airlines will be dropping their marginal and shorter-haul routes like a hot potato, giving (nuclear/renewable energy powered) HSR a good chance to compete in the up to 500 mi. markets.
 #738893  by NRGeep
 
kaitoku wrote:Well, if peak oil ever rears its ugly head, the airlines will be dropping their marginal and shorter-haul routes like a hot potato, giving (nuclear/renewable energy powered) HSR a good chance to compete in the up to 500 mi. markets.
And how will the waste from the nuclear powered trains be dealt with?
 #738919  by Nasadowsk
 
NRGeep wrote: And how will the waste from the nuclear powered trains be dealt with?
If the US government would pull it's head out of you-know-where, or, better yet, let the industry solve the 'problem' itself, we'd be reprocessing our 'waste' like the French do. Much less waste left around, and much shorter lived.

Of course, the French go from greenfield to nuke plant in less time than we take to just license one.

What's going to be fun is in 10 years or so when we're stuck with no other choice* than to start building nuclear plants like crazy, and we find the lines at any of the nuke vendors out there are out the door, and down the street.

AFAIK, there's only 2 or 3 firms in the WORLD that can fabricate a nuclear reactor vessel. And they're already booked solid a few years.

*Jump up and down and believe in rainbows and unicorns all you want, the simple reality is wind and solar can't fill our energy needs, and never will. If they could, the utilities would have developed them decades ago - they hate the coal industry as much as the environmentalists do.