Tadman, what you say about the forging of the Customer Mentality is certainly a legacy left by Penn Central. In an effort to get my mother to curtail long road trips at her age, I've encouraged her to try Amtrak. Her memories of PC and D&H rides between 1969 and 1971 are impossible to overcome.
No matter what anyone says about Amtrak, my harshest criticism of them, at least on the Adirondack, is they never carry enough food in the Food Service Car. For my money, Amtrak is always clean, has a comfortable seat, and I've never had a problem with the toilets, nor getting whatever I wanted, within reason. You can't even begin to compare Amtrak with Penn Central. Amtrak is like flying first class on Air France, compared to how bad things got during Penn Central.
Nacho, types of travellers who used Penn Central? Travellers of CIRCUMSTANCE.
1. People who couldn't get a flight at the last minute.
2. People who were afraid to fly.
3. People travelling to places where you couldn't get to by air.
4. People who hadn't caved in to slumming it by taking the bus.
5. People who couldn't afford an air ticket.
6. People who weren't aware of how bad conditions had become.
7. Heartbroken Railfans.
OK, I made a crack about taking the bus. The bus was and still is the pits unless you're utterly stranded or broke. Take note that the callibre of Rail Traveller went down as well through the 60's. It went from the well dressed family of multiple socio-economic backgrounds and serious businessmen, to students, trust-fund hippies and people looking for a cheap way to get there. People regularly commented during those times that the crowd on Penn Central was just one cut above the bus crowd!
Something else to note here. When you hear people carry on about the Pennsylvania Railroad, you hear about it's spectacular route and name trains. You don't hear anyone raving about the service in the 60's, and after the New York Central canceled the Century, it was all down hill. They couldn't even put on the lustre during the 1966 air strike, which was actually their final chance at survival.
Every opportunity Penn Central had to regain ridership, say during a blizzard, or whatever, they blew it. They might add coaches during a busy season, but they didn't bother to clean them, nor confirm the operationality of the heating system. Like I said before, they clearly wanted OUT of the passenger business and if the government wouldn't allow them to pull the plug, they became determined to drive off patronage themselves.
Penn Central was just an exercise in business stupidity and abuse of the public. Model Railroaders beware. Don't try to replicate the Penn Central on your layout unless you firmly glue down all the trash along the ROW so it doesn't get caught up in the mechanisms, and your weathering ability should parallel Rembrandt's talent!
Dieter.
No matter what anyone says about Amtrak, my harshest criticism of them, at least on the Adirondack, is they never carry enough food in the Food Service Car. For my money, Amtrak is always clean, has a comfortable seat, and I've never had a problem with the toilets, nor getting whatever I wanted, within reason. You can't even begin to compare Amtrak with Penn Central. Amtrak is like flying first class on Air France, compared to how bad things got during Penn Central.
Nacho, types of travellers who used Penn Central? Travellers of CIRCUMSTANCE.
1. People who couldn't get a flight at the last minute.
2. People who were afraid to fly.
3. People travelling to places where you couldn't get to by air.
4. People who hadn't caved in to slumming it by taking the bus.
5. People who couldn't afford an air ticket.
6. People who weren't aware of how bad conditions had become.
7. Heartbroken Railfans.
OK, I made a crack about taking the bus. The bus was and still is the pits unless you're utterly stranded or broke. Take note that the callibre of Rail Traveller went down as well through the 60's. It went from the well dressed family of multiple socio-economic backgrounds and serious businessmen, to students, trust-fund hippies and people looking for a cheap way to get there. People regularly commented during those times that the crowd on Penn Central was just one cut above the bus crowd!
Something else to note here. When you hear people carry on about the Pennsylvania Railroad, you hear about it's spectacular route and name trains. You don't hear anyone raving about the service in the 60's, and after the New York Central canceled the Century, it was all down hill. They couldn't even put on the lustre during the 1966 air strike, which was actually their final chance at survival.
Every opportunity Penn Central had to regain ridership, say during a blizzard, or whatever, they blew it. They might add coaches during a busy season, but they didn't bother to clean them, nor confirm the operationality of the heating system. Like I said before, they clearly wanted OUT of the passenger business and if the government wouldn't allow them to pull the plug, they became determined to drive off patronage themselves.
Penn Central was just an exercise in business stupidity and abuse of the public. Model Railroaders beware. Don't try to replicate the Penn Central on your layout unless you firmly glue down all the trash along the ROW so it doesn't get caught up in the mechanisms, and your weathering ability should parallel Rembrandt's talent!
Dieter.
Last edited by Dieter on Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.