PA1-PA4 Preservation Status

Were any of the older PATH cars saved when the new new PA5s came around? I know that a few cars that were involved in 9/11 were stripped and sent to Washington for a memorial and that some PA4s were saved as work equipment, but what I want to know is if any equipment was sent to/purchased by transit museums. I'm mainly interested in this because the older PATH cards are widely reported as having been the inspiration for the MBTA's Hawker-Siddeley Blue and Orange Line cars and I'd like to know if it's too late to see how they comapre.

madcrow wrote:Were any of the older PATH cars saved when the new new PA5s came around? I know that a few cars that were involved in 9/11 were stripped and sent to Washington for a memorial and that some PA4s were saved as work equipment, but what I want to know is if any equipment was sent to/purchased by transit museums. I'm mainly interested in this because the older PATH cards are widely reported as having been the inspiration for the MBTA's Hawker-Siddeley Blue and Orange Line cars and I'd like to know if it's too late to see how they comapre.

Aside from the ones you mentioned, no. None were purchased by transit museums as far as we know.

The cars wrecked under WTC will appear in the museum at WTC. I believe they will be left as-is.

I hope at least some of the old fleet is preserved, as the oldest cars were in operation for 45 years, one of the longest service lives of any revenue rolling stock.

Most (but not all) of the PA4s are work motors (some painted yellow and the ends). Some were held for the Smithsonian's 9/11 collection and the other WTC cars are stored at JFK Airport by the PANYNJ. The last K-cars were scrapped by 2011 as well.

madcrow wrote:I'm mainly interested in this because the older PATH cards are widely reported as having been the inspiration for the MBTA's Hawker-Siddeley Blue and Orange Line cars and I'd like to know if it's too late to see how they comapre.

The MBTA Hawker Siddeley cars were based on the PA3s. The only surviving PA3 would be 745, which survived the WTC collapse and is stored at JFK (as mentioned above).

Still not too late to compare -- loads of photos around. Having ridden both, the biggest difference I notice is. The sharper inward angle at the bottom of the cars on the Boston stuff and the different interior fittings.

What cars have been set aside for the WTC collection?

I know that various PA3 cars and a PA4 were saved, but were any PA1/2s saved?

MODNOTE: Topics merged.

tjensen wrote:What cars have been set aside for the WTC collection?

I know that various PA3 cars and a PA4 were saved, but were any PA1/2s saved?

MODNOTE: Topics merged.

I do not believe any PA1 were saved.

Some of the fours ave the ends painted yellow and are being used in non revenue service. Not sure how many though.