CRail wrote:As a Mechanical employee at BET / Seashore life member often says, a locomotive is nothing but a subway car with its own power station (I'll bet anyone else who's active up there will know who I'm talking about ).Um... are subway cars now equipped with traction control?? An internet Siemens AG ad says that an SD70MAC has 175,500# starting tractive effort with a locomotive weight of 415,000#, implying 42% adhesion, using their traction control units. I wonder if the "Electricals" agree on the "a locomotive is nothing but ..."