lensovet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:32 pmI absolutely have a thing against the loop, because it's going to cost an incredible amount of money, make an existing station (Sec) and terminal (Hoboken) completely pointless, and require an insane amount of wetland remediation for what is a rather marginal gain. Yes, people like one-seat rides, but you can get 80% of the benefit for 5% of the cost by improving schedules and the transfer experience.
It's not going to make Secaucus nor Hoboken pointless at all. Many trains will still go to Hoboken and transfer at Secaucus, some will run the loop. Transfers can also happen the other way, from NEC trains to trains to Hoboken. If they build the other half of the Waterfront connection, they could rebalance the traffic as well, which would be better for all. Not all of the trains can run the loop, even with Gateway and an expanded NYP there isn't an unlimited amount of capacity, and many people still want to go to Hoboken.
Furthermore, with the increased shift to telecommuting and WFH, NJT should be focusing more on enabling intrastate travel and providing more options for getting places, instead of cramming everything into NYP as if we're trying to accommodate the commute patterns of the early 2000s. Things change with time. Sometimes a project that made sense 2 decades ago no longer makes sense a decade from now. There's no shame in realizing that and reorienting extremely limited public transportation funds to something that is a more effective use of them.
You're correct on the first sentence, but your logic falls apart after that. Two things can be true at once, that NJT and LIRR need to rebalance their traffic flows and provide more options for getting more places, and that a lot of people still want to go to NYP and will for a long time to come. If NJT and LIRR both rebalanced their systems to provide equal service between Hoboken and NYP from all lines, and likewise for LIRR between Brooklyn, LIC, GCT-Madison, and NYP, a lot of capacity would be freed up in NYP by people who have a better way to get where they want to go so that people who do wan to use NYP would have a much better experience, and leave more room for growth of the metro area.