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General discussion of passenger rail systems not otherwise covered in the specific forums in this category, including high speed rail.

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 #837880  by jstolberg
 
Federal High Speed and Intercity Passenger Rail grant applications were due August 6th. Over $2 billion in federal grant money is available. I am opening this topic to post and discuss applications by the various states, both high speed and conventional speed.

Unlike the first round, this time federal funds will be capped at 80% of the project cost.
 #838006  by mkellerm
 
Here is an incomplete list of applications for the FY09 residual funds (50/50 match) and FY10 planning funds (80/20), along with the large-scale applications for FY10 funds. Note: some of the pdf files are quite large. I'd appreciate links to other applications if people come across them.

FY09 Appropriation (50% match) [8 applications; total of $130M requested; $65M available]

Michigan: West Detroit ($7.9M)
http://michigan.gov/documents/mdot/MDOT ... 7159_7.pdf


FY10 Planning (20% match) [47 applications; total of $188M requested; $50M available]

Michigan: Chicago - Detroit/Pontiac ($3.2M)
http://michigan.gov/documents/mdot/MDOT ... 7158_7.pdf

Texas: Austin - Houston ($2.9M)
ftp://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-inf ... us_hou.pdf

Texas: DFW - Oklahoma City ($11.2M)
ftp://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-inf ... kc_stx.pdf

Texas: DFW - Houston ($3.6M)
ftp://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-inf ... fw_hou.pdf

Oklahoma: State Rail Plan ($.4M)
http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/recovery ... nt_app.pdf

Oklahoma: OKC - Tulsa ($2.25M)
http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/recovery ... nt_app.pdf

Northeast Corridor:
http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/FY_2010_NE ... oposal.pdf

Missouri: State Rail Plan ($.5M)
http://www.modot.mo.gov/othertransporta ... ppBook.pdf

Florida: Miami-Orlando ($8M)
http://www.floridahighspeedrail.org/Fun ... tions.html
http://www.floridahighspeedrail.org/upl ... rlando.pdf



FY10 Construction (20% match)

Florida: Orlando-Tampa ($1.124B)
http://www.floridahighspeedrail.org/Fun ... tions.html
http://www.floridahighspeedrail.org/upl ... 8-5-10.pdf

Florida: FEC Corridor ($250M)
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/pol ... cation.pdf

California: CAHSR Merced-Fresno ($754.6M)
http://cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/ch ... cation.pdf

California: CAHSR Bakersfield-Fresno ($1B)
http://cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/ch ... cation.pdf

California: CAHSR Los Angeles-Anaheim ($1B)
http://cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/ch ... cation.pdf

California: CAHSR San Francisco - San Jose ($1B)
http://cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/ch ... cation.pdf

Iowa/Illinois: Iowa City - Chicago ($248M)
http://www.iowadot.gov/IowaPassengerRai ... cation.htm
Last edited by mkellerm on Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 #838098  by electricron
 
I know your lists weren't supposed to be complete. What surprises me somewhat is how short the Federals funding levels are......

FY09 Appropriation (50% match) [8 applications; total of $130M requested; $65M available] $65M short.
FY10 Planning (20% match) [47 applications; total of $188M requested; $50M available] $133M short.
FY10 Construction (20% match)[Just the applications listed so far are $2,598.6M ; total $2B available] $598.6M short.

At this pace, States ready to go fairly quickly with rail projects are years, possibly decades away from receiving Federal funds, when will Obama propose a dedicated revenue source to finance trains? I'm not so sure there will be any Federal funds made available for trains next year.....
 #838126  by jstolberg
 
Additional requests

North Carolina, $290 million broken down as follows:
  • Blue Ridge Road grade separation, Raleigh: $55 million
    Lexington station and platform: $15 million
    Charlotte Gateway station: $38 million
    Charlotte Gateway station approach track and bridges: $53 million
    36th Street grade separation, Charlotte: $30 million
    Sugar Creek Road grade separation, Charlotte: $42 million
    Wye and third main track south of Charlotte station: $27 million
    Program Management: $15 million
http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/08/05/ ... rains.html

Georgia and Tennessee, $34 million for Atlanta to Chattanooga
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_181581.asp
 #838163  by mkellerm
 
electricron wrote:I know your lists weren't supposed to be complete. What surprises me somewhat is how short the Federals funding levels are......

FY09 Appropriation (50% match) [8 applications; total of $130M requested; $65M available] $65M short.
FY10 Planning (20% match) [47 applications; total of $188M requested; $50M available] $133M short.
FY10 Construction (20% match)[Just the applications listed so far are $2,598.6M ; total $2B available] $598.6M short.

At this pace, States ready to go fairly quickly with rail projects are years, possibly decades away from receiving Federal funds, when will Obama propose a dedicated revenue source to finance trains? I'm not so sure there will be any Federal funds made available for trains next year.....
Well, considering that last year there were $57B in requests for $8B in funding, some might view this as progress. Requiring the 20% match weeds out a lot of pie-in-the-sky projects, and makes it more likely that the chosen projects will have support in the state, thus avoiding the craziness that we've seen in Ohio and Wisconsin. On the other hand, it also weeds out (for the time being) some good projects, such as the Keystone upgrades.
 #838818  by jstolberg
 
Vermont has requested $60 million to extend the Ethan Allen from Bennington to Burlington.
Vermont Agency of Transportation spokesman John Zicconi "said the progress already made on the Vermont rail projects that were funded under the stimulus should weigh in the western corridor’s favor."
http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20 ... 002/NEWS01

I'm thinking that the fact that the state already has $20 million earmarked by Senator Jeffords for passenger rail in the western corridor would work in their disfavor. Especially since they haven't used the money to build anything even though it's been available for nearly five years. That's not what I would call "progress already made."
 #839115  by afiggatt
 
electricron wrote:At this pace, States ready to go fairly quickly with rail projects are years, possibly decades away from receiving Federal funds, when will Obama propose a dedicated revenue source to finance trains? I'm not so sure there will be any Federal funds made available for trains next year.....
There will be some federal funds for HSIPR next year, just not much. The House has passed a FY2011 Transportation bill with $1.4 Billion for HSIPR, $1.77 billion for Amtrak. The Senate is still in committee, but the Senate Appropriations subcommittee voted for $1.0 billion for HSIPR, $1.96 billion for Amtrak. If the $1 billion funding level is left unchanged by the Senate, then the House and Senate bills go to a reconciliation committee which will probably pick a number between $1.0 and $1.4 billion for passenger rail and the two Amtrak funding amounts.

It is clear looking at the applications and the states that either have or are fairly close to having intercity rail projects ready to go, that whether the FY11 amount is $1.2 or $1.4 billion, it won't go very far. The NEC alone could use a billion plus a year of dedicated funding. They are clearly punting until Congress takes up the next 6 year Transportation authorization bill, but there is no agreement on how to pay for it. Not just rail, but the much larger amounts that will go to highways & roads. If the Obama administration and the key Congressional players are serious about HSR and improved intercity rail, they will push for a minimum of $4 to $5 billion a year starting at year 1 and ramp up to $8 to $10 billion a year by year 6. With a lot of projects still in the study and engineering phase which take years to go through all the hoops, a ramp up funding approach for passenger rail construction projects is a reasonable approach. What will happen and when for the next 6 year Transportation authorization bill for passenger rail is anybody's guess. Meanwhile, there is $2.3 for FY10 to distribute. Hope they do it with some foresight.
 #839174  by jstolberg
 
New Jersey, the most densely populated U.S. state, is seeking $885 million of federal funds for improvements on the Northeast Corridor train line between Trenton and New York City.

Planned upgrades include the replacement of Amtrak’s Portal Bridge, which carries trains over the Hackensack River between Newark and New York Penn Station.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-1 ... rades.html

Massachusetts requests $32.5 million for Boston South Station.
The South Station High Speed Rail Project will:

Construct seven new station tracks, expanding South Station capacity from 13 to 20 tracks
Relocate the United States Postal Service facility to facilitate the expansion
Reconfigure three critical track interlockings.
http://www.eot.state.ma.us/default.asp? ... id=release
 #839330  by afiggatt
 
New Jersey, the most densely populated U.S. state, is seeking $885 million of federal funds for improvements on the Northeast Corridor train line between Trenton and New York City.
Planned upgrades include the replacement of Amtrak’s Portal Bridge, which carries trains over the Hackensack River between Newark and New York Penn Station.
I thought the Portal Bridge project was underway and had the funding in place. Or is NJ looking to get some additional federal funding so NJT doesn't have to foot as much of the bill? How tightly coupled is the Portal Bridge project to ARC? Is it considered a separate project or as a piece of the entire ARC project?

Looking up the status of the River Runner improvements, came across this press release from the Missouri DOT that Missouri "applied for six more projects on Aug. 6. These funds will be used on additional capacity-building projects that will build an even better and more reliable passenger train service across Missouri." at http://www.modot.org/newsandinfo/Distri ... wsId=58720. Don't see any details on how much funding they applied for.
 #839390  by jstolberg
 
afiggatt wrote:I thought the Portal Bridge project was underway and had the funding in place. Or is NJ looking to get some additional federal funding so NJT doesn't have to foot as much of the bill?
In January, New Jersey got $38.5 million for final design. The total design and construction cost is estimated at $1.344 billion. http://www.portalbridgenec.com/faqs.html
 #840094  by jstolberg
 
FRA received 20 applications from 10 states totaling $7.8 billion for high-speed rail corridor development programs. FRA also received 57 applications from 18 states totaling $700 million for smaller, individual projects within rail corridors that are ready to begin construction. While not all proposed projects can be funded, the Department will evaluate the applications to identify the projects that will deliver the greatest public benefits and give American taxpayers the highest return on their investment.
http://www.fra.dot.gov/Pages/press-releases/217.shtml

Much less than last time now that states have to put up a 20% match. However, applications still exceed available money by more than 3 to 1.
 #840159  by mkellerm
 
Here are additional applications from MIchigan:

Milwaukee Jct (Detroit) - Pontiac: $13.7M
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/ ... 0119_7.pdf

West Detroit Jct: $18.3M
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/ ... 0123_7.pdf

Ann Arbor Station PE/NEPA: $8.1M
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/ ... 0122_7.pdf

Chicago-Detroit SDP: $308M
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/ ... 0118_7.pdf

The corridor SDP is unusual in that half of the money would go to purchasing the Kalamazoo-Dearborn segment from NS. It is accompanied by a veiled threat that Chicago-Detroit service is circling the drain and could be downgraded to 25 MPH unless money can be found to acquire the segment.
 #840842  by Vincent
 
WA has applied for $80 million in grants. Most of the projects are old news, but the Seattle to Blaine Slope Stabilization project and Skagit River Bridge Replacement are new to the list. The slope stabilization project would address the problems caused by mudslides that cancel Seattle to Vancouver trains all too often.