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Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.

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 #1297102  by zebrasepta
 
SEPTA is shuffling equipment and workers to try to deal with chronic crowding problems on Regional Rail trains, as ridership rises and old cars and locomotives break down more frequently.
In addition, locomotive problems have frequently sidelined the 30-year-old, locomotive-hauled Comet coaches purchased from NJ Transit for use on several SEPTA routes.

The long-term solution, SEPTA officials say, will be new cars and locomotives to add capacity and reduce breakdowns.

Planners are drawing up specifications for an order of 36 bi-level coaches and 13 new locomotives.
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wait does this mean bi-levels fit the CC tunnels?
 #1297154  by Limited-Clear
 
No reason they wouldn't, if bi levels fit into New York Penn then they will fit in the commuter tunnel
 #1297164  by Clearfield
 
Limited-Clear wrote:No reason they wouldn't, if bi levels fit into New York Penn then they will fit in the commuter tunnel
SEPTA and consultants are checking clearances to make sure they will fit.

The only cars known to fit per the incredibly well informed SEPTA exec I spoke with are the Bi-Level Bombs which will make for an interesting bidding process.
 #1297184  by Clearfield
 
As an aside, there has a blurring of rush hour versus non rush hour passenger traffic.

Mid day trains used to be very lightly ridden. That's not true today, especially given the 50% increase in passengers over the past 15 years. Trains are busy all day.

I routinely take a train out of 30th St at 8:00pm that very frequently has standees on leaving Temple.

With SEPTA saying they expect delivery of bi-level cars in 2017, SEPTA's track record on new rolling stock sounds to me more like 2018 or 2019.

SEPTA's fleet of AEM-7's and the only ALP-44 operating in North America have never been overhauled. Should one of those locomotives leave service permanently before its replaced, the coaches can be redistributed to lengthen other Push Pull trains but the trains represented by that equipment will leave the schedule.

The good news is that ridership is increasing. The bad news is that because SEPTA has traditionally been underfunded, ridership may be increasing faster than SEPTA can catch up with equipment.

The rumor mill shows several AMTRAK AEM-7's slated for SEPTA once replaced by new ACS-64's. If its true, that's more good news.

If we want to increase the number of MU's, the 25 hz power system will exceed capacity of 80 year old substations.

Adding capacity sounds simple. There are so many gotcha's.
 #1297189  by braves
 
Maybe SEPTA can acquire some of the 70 Arrow 3 cars from NJ Transit that they retired until SEPTA can order new bi-level and single level coaches, these 70 Arrow 3 cars can reduce overcrowding and standees.
 #1297336  by Clearfield
 
Consider also that the Reading side 25hz power system was designed for the green cars delivered between 1931 and 1932.

No one ran electric locomotives on that side prior to the opening of the CCCT in 1984.

There's only so much power that system can currently deliver.

The addition of a 4th SFC and the replacement or rehabs of the other SFC's along with major substation replacements will absolutely help that situation.

Even though the projects are approved and funded, they're years away from being on-line.
 #1297354  by bikentransit
 
I think a bunch of guys called PA-TEC predicted this several years ago, and recommended that the region invest in opening dormant lines to alleviate congestion at stations that were at capacity 5 years ago. Looks like that fell on deaf ears.
 #1297435  by Clearfield
 
bikentransit wrote:I think a bunch of guys called PA-TEC predicted this several years ago, and recommended that the region invest in opening dormant lines to alleviate congestion at stations that were at capacity 5 years ago. Looks like that fell on deaf ears.
No, deaf dollars.............There wasn't enough money to keep the existing lines in a state of good repair, let alone reopening dormant lines.

But you already knew that.
 #1297462  by SubwayTim
 
braves wrote:Maybe SEPTA can acquire some of the 70 Arrow 3 cars from NJ Transit that they retired until SEPTA can order new bi-level and single level coaches, these 70 Arrow 3 cars can reduce overcrowding and standees.
If SEPTA was to acquire NJT Arrow III's, would they be able to run them in mixed consists with Silverliner IV's, since Arrow III's and Silverliner IV's are nearly identical??? Also, the Arrow III's have reversible seats, which are no longer existent on SEPTA's Regional Rail fleet...
 #1297520  by R3 Passenger
 
SubwayTim wrote:
braves wrote:Maybe SEPTA can acquire some of the 70 Arrow 3 cars from NJ Transit that they retired until SEPTA can order new bi-level and single level coaches, these 70 Arrow 3 cars can reduce overcrowding and standees.
If SEPTA was to acquire NJT Arrow III's, would they be able to run them in mixed consists with Silverliner IV's, since Arrow III's and Silverliner IV's are nearly identical??? Also, the Arrow III's have reversible seats, which are no longer existent on SEPTA's Regional Rail fleet...
I don't think NJT will be giving up the Arrow IIIs anytime soon. Any Arrow that gets retired by NJT will probably only be cars that are not worth repairing.

The only thing that SEPTA can do with NJT on this overcrowding issue is add on to the rumored Multilevel MU order. Overcrowding is not a problem unique to only SEPTA.
 #1297555  by 25Hz
 
Clearfield wrote:
bikentransit wrote:I think a bunch of guys called PA-TEC predicted this several years ago, and recommended that the region invest in opening dormant lines to alleviate congestion at stations that were at capacity 5 years ago. Looks like that fell on deaf ears.
No, deaf dollars.............There wasn't enough money to keep the existing lines in a state of good repair, let alone reopening dormant lines.

But you already knew that.
West trenton & trenton line crowding would be alleviated by a newtown line re-activation.

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