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 #180099  by etna9726b
 
I've seen many photo's of fully loaded coal or other very long heavy trains, and wondered how much strength the knuckles in the engines/cars have to have to withstand the pulling load. What takes the most pressure, the knuckle, pin, drawbar, etc. How is their strength measured ?
 #180138  by H.F.Malone
 
The knuckle pin is simply used for a pivot point-- it does not take the pulling load. That load is taken by the cast-in contours of the inner side of the knuckle, against the coupler body inner face. It's easier to see in person (or in a diagram) than to explain!! There are actually PLASTIC knuckle pins available--they certainly don't take the full pulling load!!!

The castings are rated by tensile strength, and there is a numerical code cast into the coupler body and knuckle that signifies the strength. It's so that low-strength parts won't get mixed in. Many of the older (low-strength) components are now prohibited in interchange service.

For example, the E50 knuckle is now obsolete, replaced by E50HT--the HT signifiying "high tensile" strength steel.

There's a lot to this; I recommend the Railway Educational Bureau--Simmons Boardman publication about couplers for more (much more) detail.

 #180411  by CSX Conductor
 
The above poster is correct in the fact that a knuckle pin doesn't take any force. In fact you son't need a knuckl-pin in the knuckle as long as it stays closed. If you remove a knuckle-pin from between two cars they will not part. However if the knuckle-pin is missing and you operate the cut-lever to open the knuckle on a single car, the knuckle will be able to fall out.

Since this is a general topic and not New England specific, maybe you'll get more replies by posting this in the General Discussion of Rolling Stock & Equipment forum. :wink: