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 #1543155  by orulz
 
If they are planning a new lift span bridge hardly any higher than, and with no curve improvements compared to the old bridge, then they have achieved *exactly* nothing.

Forget the I-95 bypass; they should just build a curved, fixed span, connecting the two sharp curves at either end of the bridge into a single smooth curve.

I think a much gentler curve along the lines of 0°45' should be possble with basically no property impacts whatsoever. Not exactly sure what speed that would be good for with Amtrak spec equipment, but modern tilting trains should be able to do 150.

Assuming 2% grades (which is perfectly reasonable - perhaps even conservative - on an electrified line like this), the approaches for a 90' high span would start past the end of Rivers Ridge Road on the west, and fit neatly under the existing Shore Road underpass on the east. In other words, basically no alignment change and absolutely no elevation change next to anybody's million dollar mansion.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/embed ... C8iSezNjwV

This is an example of a process gone haywire.
  1. Start out from the premise of infrastructure rather than service. NEC Future is an *infrastructure* vision, with plenty of opportunities to hand $billions to politically connected contractors, but far from complete as a real *service* vision that shows how its timetables connect people to destinations conveniently and effectively
  2. Given the concept of "Let's spend some money!!! Maybe we'll get some infrastructure for it. And then maybe if we're lucky, we can runs some trains." they first proposed a *project* in which one of the alternatives was a big long bypass along I-95 with some (pretty reasonable) impacts, but little ability to tie it to *service* improvements other than a promise that "It'll be faster"
  3. Run into resistance from very rich, highly connected NIMBYs over the frankly quite reasonable impacts
  4. NIMBYs run to congresspeople for help
  5. Congresspeople cave to parochial interests, pressure Amtrak to abandon the bypass
  6. Amtrak backs off, and instead proposes a set of less ambitious alternatives
  7. Let the freight operations tail wag the passenger service dog, and say that 1.5% or 2% grades are OFF THE TABLE - in spite of very limited freight operations, and the fact that freight trains can easily negotiate 2%, and do so already in many places - and in spite of the fact that the Northeast Corridor is one of the most densely populated linear corridors on earth.
  8. Arrive at a "preferred alternative" of *the* *most* *timid* project imaginable, for an insane budget of nearly half a billion (And that's before cost overruns have had a chance to blow it up)
'Murica!
 #1543189  by bostontrainguy
 
orulz wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:44 pm [*]Let the freight operations tail wag the passenger service dog, and say that 1.5% or 2% grades are OFF THE TABLE - in spite of very limited freight operations, and the fact that freight trains can easily negotiate 2%, and do so already in many places - and in spite of the fact that the Northeast Corridor is one of the most densely populated linear corridors on earth.
How about keep the original bridge for the very few freight trains that use it and build a higher curved fixed span bridge for high-speed trains? The few freight trains that will be traveling at slow speeds should not destroy the old bridge and the rare bridge closings will hardly be noticed. Amtrak trains should be able to negotiate the curvature at a pretty good clip.
 #1632641  by Jeff Smith
 
PDF: FRA.DOT.GOV
Connecticut – Connecticut River Bridge Replacement (Up to $826,645,100)

The proposed project includes construction to replace the existing Connecticut River Bridge between Old Saybrook and Old Lyme, CT, with a modern and resilient new moveable bridge immediately to the south of the existing structure. The existing Amtrak-owned 116-year-old bridge poses a risk of long-term major disruption on the Northeast Corridor due to its age and condition. The replacement bridge would maintain the two-track configuration and existing channel location and provide a bascule moveable span with additional vertical clearance for maritime traffic. The bridge serves the Northeast Corridor main line and is used by Amtrak’s intercity services, Connecticut Shore Line East commuter service, and freight operators. The new structure will improve safety, reliability, and increase operating speed for all operators. As matching funds, Amtrak will provide $148,384,077 and Connecticut will provide $58,277,198.
 #1632675  by shadyjay
 
Now... I thought the channel was being relocated, more towards the center of the river, hence why they just couldn't use the existing piers to build a new bridge on. The piers were built to support 2 bridges side by side for 4 tracks (similar to Devon). Only the south side of the piers got used with the present bridge, leaving the northern half available for another bridge.
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