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  • Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.
Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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 #1126338  by markhb
 
Wow... given what I've heard about the restrictions beyond Waterville, that's quite an achievement.

The Press Herald has an AP story today on the hideous dangers of oil trains. Unsurprisingly, they missed the local angle entirely.
The environmental fears carry an ironic twist: Oil trains are gaining popularity in part because of a shortage of pipeline capacity -- a problem that has been worsened by environmental opposition to projects such as TransCanada's stalled Keystone XL pipeline. That project would carry Bakken and Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico.

Wayde Schafer, a North Dakota spokesman for the Sierra Club, described rail as "the greater of two evils" because trains pass through cities, over waterways and through wetlands that pipelines can be built to avoid.
Another interesting tidbit is that apparently, rail transport is faster than pipelines. So, at least we now know the answer to "what is freight rail faster than"? :-D
 #1126577  by gokeefe
 
markhb wrote:Wow... given what I've heard about the restrictions beyond Waterville, that's quite an achievement.

The Press Herald has an AP story today on the hideous dangers of oil trains. Unsurprisingly, they missed the local angle entirely.
Perhaps picking the story up was their way of speaking to the local angle. That of course would appear to imply that they don't have sufficient resources to devote to the story themselves. Not good either.
markhb wrote:
The environmental fears carry an ironic twist: Oil trains are gaining popularity in part because of a shortage of pipeline capacity -- a problem that has been worsened by environmental opposition to projects such as TransCanada's stalled Keystone XL pipeline. That project would carry Bakken and Canadian crude to the Gulf of Mexico.

Wayde Schafer, a North Dakota spokesman for the Sierra Club, described rail as "the greater of two evils" because trains pass through cities, over waterways and through wetlands that pipelines can be built to avoid.
I take this issue pretty seriously as a resident of a community through which these trains pass and as a firefighter. I was a little surprised by the Sierra Club's description. Find me a spill from a pipeline whose volume doesn't exceed that of one or maybe even two rails cars rupturing. When pipelines have major incidents the volumes involved can be absolutely enormous. Second, small pipeline leaks, over time can turn into massive undetected spills stretching over literally acres of land and causing contamination that can take decades to clean up.

Regardless, because of the effective compartmentalization of train cars, their fail safe braking systems (which are generally extremely reliable), railroad operating practices and the surface nature of railroad transportation in most areas I think moving the crude by rail is a great interim solution.
 #1126659  by markhb
 
Perhaps picking the story up was their way of speaking to the local angle.
Perhaps, but it wouldn't have killed them to throw in a locally-written line about the trains that are currently heading through Maine, just to give it some context.
 #1126798  by gokeefe
 
markhb wrote:
Perhaps picking the story up was their way of speaking to the local angle.
Perhaps, but it wouldn't have killed them to throw in a locally-written line about the trains that are currently heading through Maine, just to give it some context.
Quite true.
 #1126801  by MEC407
 
My guess is that there's only a skeleton staff at the paper right now due to the holiday weekend. They did do an actual article about the Maine oil trains a few months ago, so it's not as if they're totally unaware of them.
 #1126805  by gokeefe
 
MEC407 wrote:My guess is that there's only a skeleton staff at the paper right now due to the holiday weekend. They did do an actual article about the Maine oil trains a few months ago, so it's not as if they're totally unaware of them.
I recall that as well.

As posted in the Bakken Oil Thread, North Dakota hit another production record at around 747K BPD in October. No shortage of oil to around and at this point the East Coast refineries look to be the only "relief valve" available for it.
 #1127029  by MEC&BAR
 
Loaded oil train through Bangor, ME at 21:00
BNSF 4649, 9723, 7589, & MEC 610 and pushers GMTX 3003 & MEC 330
 #1127047  by gokeefe
 
MEC&BAR wrote:Loaded oil train through Bangor, ME at 21:00
BNSF 4649, 9723, 7589, & MEC 610 and pushers GMTX 3003 & MEC 330
A 'helper'?!? Wow...

Is this needed because of track conditions (which might require lower speeds etc.)?
 #1127142  by deeptrax
 
Wow. I don't think I've ever heard of PanAm using DPU's. That is awesome.

This must be a different LOT than the one that passed through Rigby last evening.
 #1127169  by KSmitty
 
The helpers are manned. Not dpu. And I assume they would be needed anyhow as there are several grades in the area. Even back in. The mec days helpers were occasionally needed through the bangor area...
 #1127303  by doublestack
 
MEC&BAR wrote:Loaded oil train through Bangor, ME at 21:00
BNSF 4649, 9723, 7589, & MEC 610 and pushers GMTX 3003 & MEC 330
When did they start running 6 axle road units with full oil can trains beyond Waterville?
 #1127306  by KSmitty
 
From reports I've seen, PAR used an SD40 or 2 to test 6packs east of Bangor about 2-3 weeks ago. Full oil trains have been running behind GP40's since then. This is the first BNSF powered train east of Waterville.
 #1127358  by doublestack
 
KSmitty wrote:From reports I've seen, PAR used an SD40 or 2 to test 6packs east of Bangor about 2-3 weeks ago. Full oil trains have been running behind GP40's since then. This is the first BNSF powered train east of Waterville.
Thanks, Kevin for that info. I assume the same power stays with the train right through to St. John, not just as far as Mattawamkeag.
 #1127438  by KSmitty
 
Last I knew, the first BNSF power had not yet made Mattawamkeag. It seems probable that it will continue east, NBSR's track being much better and all, but its still an unknown...
 #1127549  by jaymac
 
The axis of curiosity and the axis of boredom finally intersected, so I checked out the PAR ETT posted online courtesy of the DE Extension documentation. Back in the not-so-distant past when six-packs were machinae non grata beyond Bangor, the tonnage rating for solo 200s, 300s, and 500s EB both between E. Deerfield and E. Gardner and between Bangor and Keag was shown as 2000 tons. Additionally, the profile between Bangor and Keag is more saw-toothy than the EB climb out of the Connecticut River Valley, so helper power for both pusher and train-control functions seems reasonable to this rank and mere-mortal civilian.
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