khansingh wrote:Here's a colored postcard view of the station's west elevation.Such a shame that what's there now is so run down
And here's a picture of the waiting room.
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khansingh wrote:Here's a colored postcard view of the station's west elevation.Such a shame that what's there now is so run down
And here's a picture of the waiting room.
runningwithscalpels wrote:Be thankful it still exists at all. So many of the grand urban New England stations have been lost over the years-- the union stations in Portland, ME and Concord, NH come to mind.khansingh wrote:Here's a colored postcard view of the station's west elevation.Such a shame that what's there now is so run down
And here's a picture of the waiting room.
I saw a boxcar on that time-lapse video, are there any on-line industries anymore?There are no longer any regular freight customers south of Waterbury.
Also, I'm under the impression that a lot of brass companies and bearing companies left the area between 1960 and 1990, leaving behind a serious lack of employment. Has this left the area in a position similar to Gary, Indiana, or Detroit, Michigan?It's not quite that bad. The traditional manufacturing industry in the Naugatuck Valley is almost entirely gone. As one small example, my father worked for 43 years for U.S. Rubber/Uniroyal in Naugatuck in a footware factory that employed roughly a thousand people on three shifts when I had a summer job there in the 1960s (and from a rail perspective, generated six or seven outbound carloads of shoes every day as well as receiving inbound supplies). By 1979 the plant was closed and a thousand jobs had vanished. The Ansonia/Derby/Shelton area, where I grew up, has benefited from real estate development that brought in a lot of white collar commuters who work in New Haven or Fairfield County as well as a lot of old but decent housing stock that has been affordable to people with lower incomes. Thus, populations in the lower Valley have remained stable or grown. But many of them drive somewhere else to work. Waterbury isn't nearly unpopulated like Detroit, but economically it's been pretty desolate since the brass mills that were its economic foundation for over a century shut down.
Noel Weaver wrote:There was a reason for the 8600's to Winsted. They ran this train with one coach on weekdays and they could do that because the 8600's had the lounge area for smoking which fulfilled the requirement for a smoking and non smoking car.With all due respect for your encyclopedic knowledge (and I mean that sincerely), i doubt that the smoking lounge was the reason for taking an 8600 out of main line service for The Naugatuck. All the pre-war coaches in series 8500-8529 also had smoking lounges; and by the period after WWII I think even a few of the older 8200 series had been retrofitted with them too. There has to be some more interesting explanation for the assignment of an 8600.
Noel Weaver
Noel Weaver wrote:The "Big Three" in Waterbury were not only good freight customers but their management people traveled a lot and during the 40's and 50's much of that travel involved the railroad right out of Waterbury...During these years there were a couple of members of the BOD whom were from Waterbury and that might have had something to do with the 8600's going to Waterbury. I have clilppings regarding the fuss that was made in Torrington because the 8600's were cut off the train at the beginning at Waterbury.Just a thought of mine: there are more than a few very wealthy New Yorkers who had weekend/summer houses in Litchfield (still true today, in fact.) And even though the Litchfield Branch ran up from Hawleyville, the center of Litchfield is only 4-5 miles from the Naugy. Seems likely to me that the NH realized that these people or their weekend guests could very well include executives at important current and potential shippers, members of the board, Connecticut politicians, etc., and planned their service accordingly.
Noel Weaver
Ridgefielder wrote:When it came to wealthy travelers they rode the Berkshire and not the Naugy for the most part. Even with that the Berkshire still had parlor cars on weekends but the passengers with pull rode out of Waterbury and these folks were management people with the big industries traveling all over the country by rail, most of their trips started in the Naugatuck Valley. I think this is the main reason we had as much passenger service over the years as we did. Some of the Bridgeport trains were timed to connect with Washington trains as well as GCT trains at Bridgeport. Over the years the patronage out of Waterbury and the Naugatuck Valley was of a different sort than the patronage out of Danbury and the Berkshire as well. My father in his working days with American Brass in Torrington and especially Waterbury traveled to other American Brass facilities in Buffalo, Detroit, Toronto and Kenosha, Wis. Most of those trips were by train starting in Waterbury although in his later years of travel some of it was by air. Multiply this by loads of other management not only with American Brass but with the other industries in Waterbury, Naugatuck, Ansonia and Derby to destinations all over the US mostly by rail and you can see the importance of New Haven passenger service in Waterbury. Torrington was not nearly as big of a deal, the people with American Brass would be furnished transportation by company car to Waterbury or New Haven to get on a passenger train. American Brass people traveled so much that the company had a travel agent of sorts who arranged all transportation for people who travelled by company business. The New Haven Railroad had a reservations clerk in the ticket office at Waterbury who handled this for the railroad and this clerk made plenty of calls to Penn Pullman and the others off line to secure sleeping car reservations for people on the go. Some of the railroads that my father traveled included the New Haven, New York Central, Pennsylvania, Wabash, Chicago North Western, Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee (in this case his description was that they hitched a bunch of trolley cars together and went like a bat out of hell) and probably some other railroads as well. He also travelled the Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo and both major Canadian Railways too. He usually brought me back some timetables from these trips.Noel Weaver wrote:The "Big Three" in Waterbury were not only good freight customers but their management people traveled a lot and during the 40's and 50's much of that travel involved the railroad right out of Waterbury...During these years there were a couple of members of the BOD whom were from Waterbury and that might have had something to do with the 8600's going to Waterbury. I have clilppings regarding the fuss that was made in Torrington because the 8600's were cut off the train at the beginning at Waterbury.Just a thought of mine: there are more than a few very wealthy New Yorkers who had weekend/summer houses in Litchfield (still true today, in fact.) And even though the Litchfield Branch ran up from Hawleyville, the center of Litchfield is only 4-5 miles from the Naugy. Seems likely to me that the NH realized that these people or their weekend guests could very well include executives at important current and potential shippers, members of the board, Connecticut politicians, etc., and planned their service accordingly.
Noel Weaver
khansingh wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUylNzPVVsGreat video; I think I've seen it before, but it's still cool to see it every once in a while. Although Pan Am South has rights to the line, I don't think they have any customers.
You might like this Super 8 of the branch from the mid eighties, taken from the front end of a Budd SPV. As you can see, it's before they opened the station in Beacon Falls and when Track 1 still abutted the station. Since this time, it's been replaced by the new station and the parking lot.
TomNelligan wrote:As one who grew up in the Naugatuck Valley in the New Haven RR years, I really appreciates Mr. Weaver's historical notes here and elsewhere on the net. He's a little older than me and remembers a lot more! By the time I was old enough to pay attention in the late 1950s, there were four RDC round trips a day between Waterbury and Bridgeport, and that patten continued unchanged until service increased under Metro-North in the 1980s.It could probably be adequately served by a a couple of DMU's today, albeit with more frequency. With the problems they have on the line with the Brookvilles, a couple of rehabbed Budd's could do the trick. Hell, CDOT has bought everyone else's leftovers for years!