EuroStar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:02 am
And that is why through-running is done practically everywhere in Europe with no ill consequences. Thank you for scaremongering. It does help though that the Europeans generally keep their stuff well maintained and do not pinch pennies on capital improvements.
This is exactly my point. This isn't Europe. You have an assortment of cash strapped, state agencies with various infrastructure issues and now, someone wants to introduce multiple, specialized pieces of equipment to allow them to cross into each others problems.
What.you call scaremongering (I know some people are afraid of the truth ) is not only a reality, it is an eventuality.
EuroStar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:02 am
Anyway, through running in NYP does not mean that every train needs to run through. You can get meaningful benefits by running through every fourth train, while still turning the rest the way it is done now. This gives you enough robustness to take a hit from events such as yesterday, without collapsing the service. You can probably go as far as through running every other train and still have enough robustness in the schedules.
So, you want the three agencies to order equipment that can operate on two different voltages of catenary, two different types of third rail and non electrified territory simultaneously or spend billions to at least a narrow down the types of territory....to benefit roughly 25% of the operation?
EuroStar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:02 am
The other thing you need to do is to allow the dispatchers to make certain routing decisions on the spot, specifically short turn trains in the case of a disruption such as yesterday. The short turns will end up replacing the "missing" through-runs. For example if we had through running New Haven-Trenton and yesterday happened, at some point the Trenton originating train set is "missing" and cannot make its run east of NYP, but you have the set that came from New Haven and cannot go to Trenton anyway, so just short turn it on the day of the disruption and you have solved the major rush hour issue. Yes, a few people who ride through get inconvenienced in having to disembark at NYP when they usually do not need to do that, but they could not go west until the fire issue is resolved anyway. The issue of crews not ending where they started is easily solvable by having the through-runs always change crews an NYP (which with current union rules you will need to do anyway).
And when these trains that can no longer run through show up, and their crews aren't around (more about that later), where are you storing all of this backed up, equipment? In your proposal, are all of these trains going to be the same size? A stranded 12 car set doesn't do much good if you replacing it with a 6 car set. There are also large infrastructure issues since space is typically at a premium. You are talking about the Number 1, the Number 2 and the Number 3 commuter agencies in the entire United States, and soon they will all meet in NYP. There isn't a ton of capacity to just have things sitting around.
This leaves out the political and funding issues. The MTA can't even align the LIRR, Metro-North, the NYC subway system and the Staten Island railroad, which they are responsible for. LIRR and Metro-North were on completely separate pages regarding East Side Access, and now broke NJT is would share, specialized equipment with them?
In my opinion, there are other solutions to this . 4 out of the 5 boroughs of NYC are on islands. The fifth borough has water on three sides. Take the trillions that people want to throw at Penn Station, through running and the surrounding infrastructure and use it to subsidize the ferries and other underutilized assets. The "Summer of Hell" was anything but that. Have bus lanes and ferries expand. Increase capacity at Hoboken, Weehawken, Tarrytown and places of that nature run a ferry directly to the Hudson Yards subway station. Do the same things at Hunterspoint Ave. Ferries should ring the area and real, bus lanes and bike lanes should be expanded.
EuroStar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:02 am
I do have to give you that NJT and Amtrak are particularly terrible on scheduling/dispatching and infrastructure respectively, because they could not run even to New Brunswick/Jersey Avenue during the fire yesterday.
It would be hard to make it to Jersey Ave since the catenary power was removed in that section due to the fire. The nearest complete interlocking is back at Metuchen, which would have required a reverse move. Which is what they did for a few train, but then that pesky Federal Hours of Service law closed in on NJT. You see, that time of day, most of the crews are starting to run out of hours. The fresh crews for that line were beginning their day at Morrisville when the disruption began....on the other side of the outage and were trapped. Additionally, a great deal of the equipment for that line also comes from Morrisville and day turns. Sure, they had equipment in SSYD, but why steal equipment from another line if you don't have the crews to support them? So they continued to operate on the viable lines.