Was the H&M part of Pennsy at one point?

[alanms00]

I was wondering if the H&M was part of the Pennsylvania Railroad at one point. The reason I ask is from these photos I saw on nycsubway.org:

www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?23821
www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?31269

Checking wikipedia and the nycsubway.org site, they make no mention of this...

[Bill West]

In 1910 the portion from Journal Square west was existing PRR track. When the H&M was being built out from Manhattan the two companies entered into an agreement to connect there and operate a Joint Service across their separate properties. They would both provide cars and the trains would be run through from Manhattan to Newark. It gave PRR a share of the new business and saved H&M a large chunk of construction cost. The PRR was also interested in being able to connect Manhattan transfer to downtown, This agreement, including supply of the 50’s cars you’ve shown continued until the bankrupt H&M became PATH at the start of the 60’s. While the PRR may have bought some of H&M’s stock I’ve never seen any hint of them having any actual control. HudsonCity is a good source on PATH history.

Bill

[henry6]

The H&M was once owned by the PRR, yes, but not part of the system per se. You see a lot of PRR influence all over the properties despite Stilwell designed cars, stations and terminals at Hoboken and Pavonia. The last cars the PRR purchased for the H&M in the early 50's even incorporated the Keystone emblem on thier flanks!

[Bill West]

Sorry, a search through Chris Bauer’s PRR Chronology shows no mention of ownership or control and such company relationships are one of the significant things he wanted to document when he was researching. Paul Carleton’s “The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Revisited” has a quote from PRR’s 1949 official history: “These two railroads, although entirely independent of each other in ownership, had always worked in harmony.” Paul mentions that H&M’s early Tuscan red was at PRR’s insistence and those 50’s cars had keystones cause they were PRR owned as it’s contribution to the joint service agreement but all this can just be negotiation between partners.

Bill