• Siemens to manufacture 83 Airo Intercity Trainsets for Amtrak: Design, Delivery, Acceptance

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Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by PHLSpecial
 
In theory with the dual modes we can increase frequency and alleviate some of the capacity constrains on the NEC. So you can have trains run through NY Penn station instead of stopping there. For example you can have the Pennsylvanian to go New Haven or Springfield now or any of the Virginia's to Vermont in theory.
  by mcgrath618
 
How do they expect to operate battery electrics on the Pennsylvanian? Something like 300 track miles are non-electrified. Are we really able to build a battery-electric locomotive that can consistently run at speed for 600 miles (HBG - PGH and back)? If not, how hard will it be to upgrade the infrastructure in PGH to allow charging between trains? How long will it take to charge to full?

What happens when NS inevitably derails on the Curve and 42 has to hold at Galitzin for a few hours? Can battery-electrics idle for long periods of time?
  by BlueFlag
 
Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation officials have previously indicated they expect these locomotives to be used in Virginia-NE Corridor service. Don't know if that includes all lines or just some of them.
  by J.D. Lang
 
Will these Hybrid battery locomotives be safe to operate in the tunnels in and out of NYC. Lithium ion batteries have a checkered safety history of catching fire and are almost impossible to put out when they do. I would think that the NYC Fire Department would have something to say about there use.
  by artman
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:26 pm How do they expect to operate battery electrics on the Pennsylvanian? Something like 300 track miles are non-electrified. Are we really able to build a battery-electric locomotive that can consistently run at speed for 600 miles (HBG - PGH and back)? If not, how hard will it be to upgrade the infrastructure in PGH to allow charging between trains? How long will it take to charge to full?

What happens when NS inevitably derails on the Curve and 42 has to hold at Galitzin for a few hours? Can battery-electrics idle for long periods of time?
Dual Mode is not Battery Electric. It is Electified (Catenary) - Diesel
  by PHLSpecial
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:26 pm How do they expect to operate battery electrics on the Pennsylvanian?
I thought when I read the order, it mention dual mode power. So I assumed that meant diesel with pantograph. Some of the order is hybrid battery and the other is dual mode.
  by mcgrath618
 
artman wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:58 pm
mcgrath618 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:26 pm How do they expect to operate battery electrics on the Pennsylvanian? Something like 300 track miles are non-electrified. Are we really able to build a battery-electric locomotive that can consistently run at speed for 600 miles (HBG - PGH and back)? If not, how hard will it be to upgrade the infrastructure in PGH to allow charging between trains? How long will it take to charge to full?

What happens when NS inevitably derails on the Curve and 42 has to hold at Galitzin for a few hours? Can battery-electrics idle for long periods of time?
Dual Mode is not Battery Electric. It is Electified (Catenary) - Diesel
Are we sure that the dual modes don’t also include battery-electrics? The article doesn’t make itself clear.

I suppose my mind also went to the recent Wabtec experiments with battery powered traction.
  by MattW
 
The article seems pretty clear to me that the dual modes and battery-hybrids (not battery-electric?) are separate. What isn't clear is what form they'll take? Battery assist as I say a few posts back? Battery-electric? Or battery-diesel (gensets)?
  by frequentflyer
 
Official PR from Amtrak

Link:
AMTRAK TO TRANSFORM RAIL TRAVEL WITH $7.3 BILLION INVESTMENT IN STATE-OF-THE-ART EQUIPMENT

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Railroad to contract with Siemens Mobility as new equipment vendor

WASHINGTON – Amtrak is contracting with California-based Siemens Mobility Inc.to manufacture a new fleet of up to 83 multi-powered modern trains that will be leveraged for state and northeast services, with further options for up to 130 additional trains to support Amtrak growth plans. The new fleet will offer modern rail amenities that better serve Amtrak customers.

“These new trains will reshape the future of rail travel by replacing our aging 40-to-50-year old fleet with state-of-the-art, American-made equipment,” said Amtrak CEO Bill Flynn. “This investment is essential to preserving and growing our Northeast Regional and state-supported services and will allow our customers to travel comfortably and safely, while deeply reducing criteria pollutants.”

The new equipment will operate on the Northeast Corridor, long distance Palmetto and various state-supported routes that will replace Amtrak-owned Amfleet, Metroliner, and state-owned equipment on certain routes throughout the country. In addition to the Northeast Regional, other routes will include the Adirondack, Carolinian, Cascades, Downeaster, Empire Service, Ethan Allen Express, Keystone Service, Maple Leaf, New Haven/Springfield Service (Amtrak Hartford Line and Valley Flyer), Pennsylvanian, Vermonter and Virginia Services.

“Amtrak’s procurement of new rolling stock is historic. These state-of-the-art trainsets will allow Amtrak to operate and provide services more safely, efficiently, and reliably,” said FRA Deputy Administrator Amit Bose. “More importantly, doing so will give riders the modern passenger rail accommodations, amenities and comforts they want and deserve.”

“New York State congratulates Amtrak Chair Anthony Coscia and CEO William Flynn on their sustained commitment to service innovation and eco-friendly travel,” said New York State Department of Transportation Commissioner Marie Therese Dominguez. “Today’s historic trainset award will serve to accelerate the replacement of the nearly 50-year old Amfleet cars currently in operation and serve to complement New York’s unprecedented investments in new passenger stations, service reliability, and safety. The 17 new trainsets being dedicated to New York State-supported routes will significantly enhance the passenger experience and incorporate cleaner fuel technologies, in support of New York’s nation-leading climate laws. The State is committed to working with Amtrak and the State’s Congressional Delegation to secure the federal funding necessary for the manufacture of these new trainsets.”

“We look forward to the delivery of the new trains for Amtrak Cascades service. They will enhance the passenger experience on one of the most beautiful train routes in the country,” said Ron Pate, Washington State Department of Transportation Director of Rail, Freight and Ports. “Since our trains will be the first off the assembly line, it’s exciting they’ll be unveiled in the Pacific Northwest.”

“This is exciting and important news. The new Amtrak trainsets will provide Downeaster passengers with even more comfort and convenience,” said Patricia Quinn, Executive Director of the Northern New England Passenger Rail Authority, which sponsors the Downeaster. “An efficient, reliable and environmentally friendly fleet is necessary to meet the growing demand for passenger rail and to reflect the critical role it plays in our modern transportation network.”
“The Commonwealth is committed to promoting, sustaining, and expanding state-sponsored passenger rail service across Virginia,” stated Jennifer Mitchell, Director of the Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation. “Replacing a 40-year-old fleet, the new Amtrak trains will help us meet those goals with modern, dual-powered engines, improved operations, increased fuel efficiency, and lower carbon emissions – in both electric and diesel mode.”
“The new dual-powered locomotives will drastically improve rider experience, reducing the dwell time in Washington, D.C., that currently exists for an engine change,” said DJ Stadtler, Executive Director of the Virginia Passenger Rail Authority. “This will increase overall capacity and decrease travel time between anywhere in Virginia to New York City and Boston significantly.”

The $7.3 billion investment includes the purchase of equipment and a long-term parts supply and service agreement, facility modifications and upgrades, and other program expenses.
A long-term service agreement for technical support, spare parts and material supply will accompany the contract to manufacture the trains. The new trains include remote monitoring and fully integrated digital diagnostics for increased reliability. These advanced features will enable Amtrak to test and develop new technology and introduce new maintenance approaches to drive efficiency, increase availability and reduce long term costs.

“These new trains, some of which will be our first hybrid battery operations in the United States, will transform the way Americans travel. Offering a more sustainable and comfortable travel experience, they will be built for excellence and built with pride in Sacramento, California,” stated Michael Cahill, President of Siemens Mobility, Rolling Stock in North America. “Over the past decade, we’ve worked closely with Amtrak and its state partners to develop and deliver trains that meet the needs of America’s travelers, these next generation trainsets build on that experience and offer much more.”

The latest trains will feature more comfortable seating, individual power outlets and USB ports, onboard Wi-Fi, enhanced lighting and panoramic windows, larger vestibules, a more contemporary food service experience, including self-service options, as well as state-of-the-art customer trip information, digital seat reservation system and navigation display systems. The trains were designed with the latest health and safety standards, including enhanced HVAC, touchless restroom controls, and automated steps. The trains meet all the latest safety regulations and standards, providing improved structural safety. With expanded capacity and the ability to shorten trip time, Amtrak expects the new equipment to add over 1.5 million riders, annually.

Using multi-power systems, including hybrid battery operation for a portion of the fleet used for New York’s Empire Service, these trains will also provide a substantial environmental benefit through reduced criteria pollutants compared to the existing fleet. They will be designed with Amtrak’s new standard of enhanced accessible features, including inductive hearing loops, accessible restrooms and vestibules, an accessible Food Service car, and lifts for customers with reduced mobility, including wheelchair users.

The trains will be manufactured at Siemens Mobility’s rail manufacturing facility in Sacramento, California, and will comply with the Federal Railroad Administration Buy America Standards. The facility is celebrating its 30th anniversary of operations this year as it continues to add to its more than 2,100 team members. It is one of the largest plants of its kind on the continent, and also one of the most sustainable, using a 2.1 MW solar panel installation to provide the majority of its power coming from the strong, reliable Californian sun. Siemens Mobility designs and manufactures across the entire spectrum of rolling stock including passenger trains, light rail and streetcars, locomotives, and passenger coaches in Sacramento.

“California’s innovation economy is coming roaring back, and this $7.3 billion contract – one of the biggest of its kind – represents good paying jobs and further proves that California is a great place to do business,” said California Gov. Gavin Newsom. “Based right here in Sacramento for 30 years, this Siemens facility is one of the largest such plants on the continent and one of the most sustainable, and this new contract cements California’s leadership in clean transportation and reducing carbon emissions.”

“This is welcome news for California. These new Amtrak trains made in Sacramento will make travel more efficient and accessible for residents and visitors, while also benefitting the environment through reduced emissions,” said California U.S. Sen. Alex Padilla. “Modernizing our transportation systems is essential – and this new investment helps us do just that.”

“I applaud Amtrak’s announcement to purchase next generation trains built by Siemens here in Sacramento. I am proud that this investment will not only go towards modernizing our nation’s rail infrastructure, but also support good paying jobs for our community,” said California U.S. Rep. Ami Bera.

“Transit systems like Amtrak are the beating heart of our economy and bold investments like these allow us to take crucial steps forward to transform our transportation sector and reduce our carbon footprint,” said California U.S. Rep. Doris Matsui. “In Sacramento, Siemens Mobility is not only an important local job creator, but an active member of our tight-knit community. With this announcement, their innovation will bring state-of-the-art and environmentally friendly fleet improvements to travelers across the nation.”

“I applaud Amtrak’s investment in the future of passenger transportation, American manufacturing, and climate resiliency,” said California U.S. Rep. John Garamendi. “This project will support 2,100 jobs at the Siemens plant in the Sacramento for years to come. These energy-efficient locomotives will be replacing aging trains throughout the country, ensuring reliable Amtrak services, and reducing carbon emissions. I have introduced legislation to further promote American train manufacturing and ensure that American infrastructure creates American jobs. Large investments like this purchase are a key step towards restoring American manufacturing, rebuilding American infrastructure, and revitalizing the American workforce.”

“If we invest in passenger rail, our nation can have a future with world-class transportation infrastructure that can spark economic growth, curb pollution, and connect Americans across the country to opportunity,” said Senator Tom Carper of Delaware. “Today’s announcement is a step towards that future—the first of many to come as we work to support Amtrak and all the good it can do for the American people.”

“An upgrade to our nation’s infrastructure that will help move tens of millions of people faster, safer, and reliably is a step in the right direction. I am excited for this agreement between Siemens and Amtrak, and particularly glad for what this means for the thousands of men and women who will maintain these train sets in America,” said Senator Chris Coons of Delaware.

(Image caption: “A rendering of one of the new Amtrak trains to be built in the U.S. by Siemens Mobility. More formal design images will be released later.” Photo Credit: Siemens)
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  by Gilbert B Norman
 
All told, this is exciting news; for Amtrak has now placed a major equipment order for the 21st century rail passenger service that counts.

I have taken six Brightline joyrides to date, and if the Amtrak equipment is appointed and configured similarly, the farepaying public will be riding Amtrak by choice!
  by HenryAlan
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:26 pm How do they expect to operate battery electrics on the Pennsylvanian? Something like 300 track miles are non-electrified.
The battery equipped engines are being described as "battery-diesel hybrid trains", not battery electric. These are analogous to a Toyota Prius, with regenerative breaking, etc., for the purpose of fuel efficiency. They are not going to be running for any significant distance under battery only operation.
  by electricron
 
Image caption: “A rendering of one of the new Amtrak trains to be built in the U.S. by Siemens Mobility. More formal design images will be released later.” Photo Credit: Siemens)"

With that caption in the Amtrak press release, it will be difficult to comment upon what Amtrak will be getting specifically. Never-the-less, 83 train sets should easily replace all the Amfleet Is in Amtrak's equipment roster.
$7.3 Billion is more than 11% of Biden's $66 Billion for railroads Infrastructure Bill.

I'm thinking the existing 472 Amfleet Is and Metroliner cars will be a good estimate of the number of cars in those 83 trainsets. Therefore, 472 / 83 = 5.68 cars/trainset
So, trainsets with full business class cars and full food service lounges will probably have 6 cars, and trainsets with a half business class/half food service car will probably have 5 cars.

(A) 1 BC, 1 FS, 4 coaches or (B) 1 BC/FS, 4 coaches.

What would be interesting is will they be like VIA's and California trainsets with permanently couples cars, or like Midwest trainsets with permanently coupled married pairs and extra coaches with knuckle couplers. I guess we will have to wait for later drawings or sketches.
  by Greg Moore
 
By the way, unless I missed it, no one commented on one of the lines in the opening paragraph:
with further options for up to 130 additional trains to support Amtrak
That's a substantial option!
  by electricron
 
Greg Moore wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:05 pm By the way, unless I missed it, no one commented on one of the lines in the opening paragraph:
with further options for up to 130 additional trains to support Amtrak
That's a substantial option!
Yes it is, but when was the last time Amtrak actually took up an option with its own money?
Maybe Amtrak can order 130 more business class coaches and food service cars; then use them to replace Amfleet IIs? Or maybe Amtrak can order 130 more cars for increasing frequencies for state supported trains?
Then maybe not?
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
electricron wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:19 pm Yes it is, but when was the last time Amtrak actually took up an option with its own money?

Ron, the A-I's comprised three distinct orders which as I recall was an exercise of options.

First order was for 57 cars placed during Oct '73, which were billed as "non powered Metroliners. This was followed by an order of 245 more, and subsequently another 200.

First placed in revenue service Oct '75; final of the 492 cars received March '77.
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