• Rumor: PAR to lease SD40-2s?

  • Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.
Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

Moderator: MEC407

  by ShortlinesUSA
 
See a snipit on Loconotes that GRS may be receiving 10 leased SD40-2s. With hundreds of these rent-a-wrecks parked since CSX and others turned them back from lease, you have to figure the price is right since there is not really any work in sight for them. Anyone else heard this?

  by CN9634
 
Interesting... so can you elaborate more on "recieiving". Are we talking about they are leasing them or they are purchasing them. If true its exciting news but needs much more solid evidence before we can throw a party
  by cpf354
 
ShortlinesUSA wrote:See a snipit on Loconotes that GRS may be receiving 10 leased SD40-2s. With hundreds of these rent-a-wrecks parked since CSX and others turned them back from lease, you have to figure the price is right since there is not really any work in sight for them. Anyone else heard this?
Well the only question would be why would they take on six axle power? They have a pretty significant amount of trackage on their system where they won't use them.
  by mc367
 
cpf354 wrote:Well the only question would be why would they take on six axle power? They have a pretty significant amount of trackage on their system where they won't use them.
They don't have a problem using their other six-axle units now, what's a few more? They do need power.

-Justin

  by CN9634
 
Very true and with foreign 6 axles parading around the B&M like crazy I dont think it will be too big of an issue. It may be a poke up to Waterville but it'll be a good investment. Besides its all about the $$ and less about the RR itself. They could care less if they derail at every grade crossing as long as they make some money. Maybe they got a good deal?
  by NV290
 
cpf354 wrote: Well the only question would be why would they take on six axle power? They have a pretty significant amount of trackage on their system where they won't use them.
In actuallity, there is very little places they cannot use 6 axle power. Nameley the west end of Lawrence yard (and the higher east end tracks) Nashua and Gardner yard.

Otherwise, anywhere in Rigby, Ayer, Deerfield and the all the mainlines are fine for 6 axle power. What PAR NEEDS is 6 axle power for mainline trains. That will free up more 4 axle power for local trains.


If this is true, it will make a big difference so long as they maintain them. Once again, the NS GP38's are having issues. One is back to a trail only unit, another was shopped yesterday for electrical problems.

  by ShortlinesUSA
 
"Receiving" being a 3 year lease deal in this case.

  by MEC407
 
We shall see. These rumors come up at least once or twice a year... especially on or around April 1. I guess this one is a couple days early.

  by MEC407
 
If anyone is interested, check out the previous most recent discussion about a rumor of Pan Am purchasing new locomotives (which, obviously, turned out to be false):

http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28673

The thread also discusses the pros and cons of why PAR might choose to add locomotives of this type to their fleet.

  by newpylong
 
Not just a rumor.... probably will be happening (leased).

They are beating the piss out of the NS power with little shop time to fix minor issues, it doesn't surprise me.

  by MEC407
 
With all due respect to my good friend newpylong, I will believe it when I see it. :-D Heaven knows it's about time they did something, considering they've only got less than 80 of their own locomotives in service, and many of those are iffy.

Now if they could just get District 1 track speeds above 10 MPH, they might actually be competitive with horse and buggy...
  by cpf354
 
NV290 wrote:
cpf354 wrote: Well the only question would be why would they take on six axle power? They have a pretty significant amount of trackage on their system where they won't use them.
In actuallity, there is very little places they cannot use 6 axle power. Nameley the west end of Lawrence yard (and the higher east end tracks) Nashua and Gardner yard.

Otherwise, anywhere in Rigby, Ayer, Deerfield and the all the mainlines are fine for 6 axle power. What PAR NEEDS is 6 axle power for mainline trains. That will free up more 4 axle power for local trains.


If this is true, it will make a big difference so long as they maintain them. Once again, the NS GP38's are having issues. One is back to a trail only unit, another was shopped yesterday for electrical problems.
The entire railroad, main line and all, east of MP56 (around Bangor) can't handle six-packs, I understand. Many, if not all, the branch lines and industrial tracks prohibit them, I believe. They have retired a number of their six axle units over the year and have only acquired 4 axle power, so it just seems out of character for them to go that way. But yes, they do need the power.

  by MEC407
 
If this plan is true, part of the "point" of it would be that they'd use the six-axle units on road trains between the west end and Bangor; that frees up more of their own four-axle units for use on the branches, the industrial tracks, and the mainline north of Bangor. It's a concept that makes perfect sense, but the reason it seems bizarre in the context of PAR/Guilford is because it's a concept they have never embraced. Fink Senior was always a proponent of having one type of locomotive that can go anywhere and do anything. That just isn't practical anymore. Maybe they're finally realizing that.

  by cpf354
 
MEC407 wrote:If this plan is true, part of the "point" of it would be that they'd use the six-axle units on road trains between the west end and Bangor; that frees up more of their own four-axle units for use on the branches, the industrial tracks, and the mainline north of Bangor. It's a concept that makes perfect sense, but the reason it seems bizarre in the context of PAR/Guilford is because it's a concept they have never embraced. Fink Senior was always a proponent of having one type of locomotive that can go anywhere and do anything. That just isn't practical anymore. Maybe they're finally realizing that.
O, yea, that has been a hallmark of them, one size fits all. But you look at CSX, for example. Now you don't see any six axle road beasts on any of the branch lines there-the locals, even main line ones, are 4 axle, so most railroads mainatin a mix and use them accordingly. But then you do loose some flexibility; you might get stuck having to go to the expense of hauling a GP40 up NMJ for the Bucksport local or the BAMA, for example, becasue the only working power around is some SD's that came in on EDNM, so it takes more planning, but sure, most railroads do it, they should be able to.
  by CN9634
 
cpf354 wrote:
NV290 wrote:
cpf354 wrote: Well the only question would be why would they take on six axle power? They have a pretty significant amount of trackage on their system where they won't use them.
In actuallity, there is very little places they cannot use 6 axle power. Nameley the west end of Lawrence yard (and the higher east end tracks) Nashua and Gardner yard.

Otherwise, anywhere in Rigby, Ayer, Deerfield and the all the mainlines are fine for 6 axle power. What PAR NEEDS is 6 axle power for mainline trains. That will free up more 4 axle power for local trains.


If this is true, it will make a big difference so long as they maintain them. Once again, the NS GP38's are having issues. One is back to a trail only unit, another was shopped yesterday for electrical problems.
The entire railroad, main line and all, east of MP56 (around Bangor) can't handle six-packs, I understand. Many, if not all, the branch lines and industrial tracks prohibit them, I believe. They have retired a number of their six axle units over the year and have only acquired 4 axle power, so it just seems out of character for them to go that way. But yes, they do need the power.
You know its funny because I chased the pipe train from Veazie to Old Town today and if any of you have been up there you'll notice the rail is CWR with pretty decent ties. So essentially the track on the Keag "Branch" is better than that of the D1 main line. Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
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