by CharlieL
Can't see Woodhaven going very far. They do a LOT of business thru Monmouth and Ocean counties. Leaving the mess that Lakewood is becoming thru overgrowth, maybe, but somewhere nearby with rail, like Howell.
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CharlieL wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:12 pm The name alone (Delaware and Raritan River) harkens back to the original Delaware and Raritan, the originator of the Southern. Makes me go HMMM. Not that I think there are any plans. Dreams, maybe.Who knows - the SRNJ tried to get Woodmansie-Winslow back in the 90s and failed due to the state saying no for some reason. Almost 30 years later, the SRNJ isn't doing too good and rumor has it on these forums that they might go under, and get bought out by someone else. I wouldn't be shocked if C&D tried to nab that opportunity.
Bracdude181 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 5:45 pm @CharlieL There more to this risk than just the cost of improvements.I mean, with how CR has been treating the two lines recently, DRRR sounds like it might be a serious upgrade - they have serious incentive to make these two lines work. It's not like they are CR backed by two giant Class I's who could care less about 30 or so miles of crappy track in NJ for a couple customers.
Unlike many of the areas C&D operates in, there are other railroads/rail lines where the customers around here can move to or transload from should C&D do what Conrail has been doing since 2003 on this line. (High prices for poor service, trains being held for lack of crews, shipments delayed by derailments and other incidents, etc)
For quite some time in be been hearing that Woodhaven would move out of Lakewood if C&Ds service is not to their liking. Where would they go? My moneys on South Jersey or Dayton.
C&D does indeed have an opportunity to turn things around, but they need to play their cars 100 percent correctly. Fortunately their service (in the sense of actually bringing a train down on a chosen day with no delays caused by them) is better than Conrail, at least on the Dover and Delaware River operation. Can’t speak for DRRV, I don’t know their schedule.
pdtrains wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 4:05 am FWIW....C&D got to work improving the Wash Sec in no time. Undercutting roadbed under low bridge in Pburg for Plate F cars, rebuilding interchange track, installing new switches, rebuilding grade crossing track circuits, etc. Boreolis..largest customer on the line..now has 1 day service from NS ABE to their plant, 3 days a week. With NS it was 2 days a week, on a haphazard schedule, and a 2 day transit time (at least) just to or from NS ABE.CR's service bar is already pretty low. All DRRR has to do is not treat the customers like they're second rate.
OTOH..holding on to customera or getting new ones has been a problem. Not necessarily their fault, as state of NJ is dumber than dirt and corrupt as hell
pdtrains wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 4:05 am Im surprised that C&D is only getting FIT and SOUS. I would have at least expected them to have trackage rights into Browns for interchange. Maybe that will be a side letter?DRRR is technically a new company - CR management probably wants to see how the interchange proceeds go before they let them onto a pretty busy and important CR line
pdtrains wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 4:05 am Im expecting they will run to pick up interchange cars at least twice a week...so as long as CSAO brings cars down to Jamesburg twice a week... that in itself should improve transit times for consignees considerably. Having cars sit at browns for up to a week before delivery is rather poor.Did cars for Woodhaven/FIT and SOUS customers actually sit in Browns for that long before they got delivered???? That's really screwed up...
CR7876 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:07 am My opinion is that once the two lines are made whole, the interchange will move to Browns. If not more infrastructure (tracks) will be needed in Jamesburg.I agree, I think it's far more likely that DRRR will just get trackage rights to Browns via the Amboy Secondary, than them taking over Browns completely, like what has been suggested here before. CR will keep ownership of Browns and whatever non-FIT/SOUS tracks are connected to the Amboy Secondary - there are too many rather large customers there that even CR doesn't want to give up, and that could overwhelm DRRR.
Also expect C&D to tell Woodhaven there is no limit on cars you can order. If 25 cars show up at Browns, 25 cars will go down to the interchange. DRRR will give them two drills that week.
CharlieL wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:22 am CR7876, pdtrains, JohnfromJersey, you guys are echoing a lot of my thoughts. Dunno if Woodhaven needs more than the (occasionally as many as) 17 cars a week, but they can almost certainly use 2x/week or more delivery. Especially if deliveries are coordinated with what's dropped off on the FIT currently.Pretty sure it's been established that Woodhaven wanted more frequent and/or longer trains in the past - for whatever reason, CR said no, you'll get once a week and only a max of ~20 cars. I'd imagine that if CR doesn't have to traverse the FIT or SOUS anymore, they would probably be far more willing to drop off more frequent loads to the interchanges - as simple as dropping it up, getting the empties, and GTHO of there - no need to go down some less than mediocre trackage.
I refuse to look at this takeover as a bad thing, what with the potential for growth.
jdh823 wrote:Just out of genuine curiosity,Nestle is one, Rex Lumber in Englishtown is another. Don't sleep on Stavola and/or Anchor as a potential landing spot for sand.
What is the potential traffic that the new guys can get out on the freehold? I would think anything new would have to be built in since there isn't much left...
Maybe Nestlé? Just a wild guess
Bracdude181 wrote: What’s really concerning me are the rumors sprouting up about what Woodhaven is gonna do if they are displeased with how C&D runs things. For quite some time now I’ve been hearing that they will cease rail service to their Lakewood location if rail service does not improve. If this happens soon enough and C&D doesn’t pick up more customers, this line will almost certainly be shut down. I don’t think C&D would keep this line running just to bring cars to Extech and Bel-Ray as needed, especially considering the latter only gets 2-3 cars a month at most and the former only gets shipments when they need to restock.Your last rumor was that C&D was backing out.
CR7876 wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 9:20 am Nestle is one, Rex Lumber in Englishtown is another. Don't sleep on Stavola and/or Anchor as a potential landing spot for sand.Surprises me that Nestle doesn't have any sort of spur and there's no evidence of one ever being there. Their other sites do get cars (hoppers for the most part it seems) so I'd say that could be the most likely.