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  by JamesT4
 
NCSRider wrote:Here's a short item from what looks like a local Des Plaines newspaper on the NCS expansion. I'm not sure whether to trust it since it mentions the NCS adding a stop in Cicero (they must mean at Cicero Ave.?), but the thing that jumped out at me is the statement that Metra will double service to 20 trains a day by the end of 2006
I think some of what that newspaper is true, but according to RTAMS the NCS is not planned to stop at the new Circeo Ave. Station, and if I am right metra is going to have 22 trains, but by late 2006, that is another year of waiting, we will have to see what happens in December.

  by metraRI
 
The Cicero Station on MD-W is a part of the NCS project, but it is not a stop for NCS trains. Because MD-W will be a 3 track main in the area's that NCS runs, NCS trains would center track past Cicero...meaning trains wouldn't stop.

  by NCSRider
 
Well, it's almost December... anyone know if Metra is going to make good on its promise to expand NCS service "in 2005?"

  by metraRI
 
If you go to Metra's New Start site, they are saying all 3 expanded services will start in January.

NCS's page can be seen here.

  by Tadman
 
here's a crazy idea - ex-WC F45's to handle the new NCS trains. CN doesn't want 'em. It would be a great passenger scheme if left in WC paint. Never going to happen...

  by doepack
 
Tadman wrote:here's a crazy idea - ex-WC F45's to handle the new NCS trains. CN doesn't want 'em. It would be a great passenger scheme if left in WC paint. Never going to happen...
Not in this lifetime, anyway. Besides, I thought I heard somewhere (could've been at this forum, I don't remember) that those six-axle engines couldn't handle the sharp curve at Antioch yard, or something like that...

  by MetraF40C607
 
The WC F45s have been scrapped.

  by doepack
 
Some people are never satisfied...


Daily Herald

Metra schedule doesn't suit him
By Steve Zalusky
Daily Herald Staff Writer
Posted Wednesday, January 18, 2006

Metra's new schedule for its North Central service is set to begin at month's end.

But Buffalo Grove trustee Jeffery Berman is already arguing for a schedule change.

Berman said Metra has reneged on its promise to increase service on the
line from 10 to 22 trains. Instead, he said, the service will offer 20 trains.

He also said Metra has failed to address the need for additional service during rush hours and has made the rush-hour commute even less convenient for residents.

Metra spokesman Patrick Waldron said, "We would be glad to listen to what (Berman) has to say and hear his feedback."

Berman, who regularly uses the service to commute to his law practice in downtown Chicago, said his fellow riders are not happy with the changes.

"The general feeling among commuters is that they, and we, have been deceived and betrayed by Metra. The sense is we have not received nearly the benefit we should expect in return for the huge capital investment made in the double tracking expansion project," he said.

Berman said the new schedule lists 10 inbound and 10 outbound trips. But he said that at best only 18 of those trips are useful to commuters. He said one trip that won't serve commuters well is the 7:02 p.m. train from Antioch that runs nonstop to Chicago once it leaves Grayslake.

"Who needs express service at 7 p.m. from Grayslake to the Loop?" he asked.

Waldron noted that only 10 years after the service started, Metra has doubled it. In addition, he said Metra is making an effort to scatter the service throughout the day to provide more options to as many commuters as possible.

Berman said the new schedule fails to serve existing commuters and is unattractive to new riders.

Berman noted that the existing schedule includes four inbound trains with Buffalo Grove departures between 6:02 a.m. and 7:38 a.m.

By comparison, the new schedule has five inbound trains running between 5:57 a.m. and 7:27 a.m. The next one doesn't leave until 9:42 a.m.

"Anyone who needs to get a child off to school before heading downtown will still be excluded from taking advantage of this line. Anyone hoping to go downtown earlier than the current service likewise will essentially be out of luck. This is not in any appreciable way an improvement in service," he said.

Getting back home isn't any better, he said. People who now take the 6:17p.m. from Chicago will have to wait until 7 p.m. or take an earlier train at 6 p.m.

In addition, he said, Metra has added three stations to the route, thus lengthening an already long commute. As a result, he said, the average commute time from Buffalo Grove to Chicago will increase by as much as 17 minutes.

This, he said, will hardly convince Buffalo Grove residents who already drive to the Deerfield and Arlington Heights stations to take the train from Buffalo Grove.

Indeed, he said, "It is more than likely that rather than increase, North Central service ridership will actually drop, as more riders seek out better options at other stations and on other lines."

Berman said the problems must be remedied by an adjustment in the schedule.

"Anything short of the full promised expansion and improvement is a betrayal of commuters and of the North Central service communities who have invested time, effort and money in this project," Berman said.

"There is progress being made on this line," Waldron said, adding that the possibility of tweaking the schedule always exists.

Waldron added, "We have had plenty of positive feedback as well."

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dailyherald.com

  by metraRI
 
Complaining about new service before it even starts, it may not be what everyone wants...but it is better than the current schedule.
the new schedule has five inbound trains running between 5:57 a.m. and 7:27 a.m. The next one doesn't leave until 9:42 a.m.
At least there is another train after the 7:27.....
Getting back home isn't any better, he said. People who now take the 6:17p.m. from Chicago will have to wait until 7 p.m. or take an earlier train at 6 p.m.
Is that really that big of a deal? Commuters who use SWS Train #7 either have to catch a train 1 hour 10 minutes earlier, or wait 50 minutes for the next. Same with #9, leave 20 minutes earlier or wait until 4:30.

SWS travel times were also supposed to be shortened, with the speed limit up'ed to 79mph between Ashburn and Orland Park...there should have been some time cut, between Palos - 143rd and Ashburn - Oak Lawn especially.

  by JamesT4
 
doepack wrote: 1.Berman said Metra has reneged on its promise to increase service on the line from 10 to 22 trains. Instead, he said, the service will offer 20 trains.]
Metra did said that they was going to have 22 instead of 20. I think that the 11th round trip was a late night train, but metra must had decided to not to add a late night train on the NCS compair to the SWS
2.Berman said the new schedule lists 10 inbound and 10 outbound trips. But he said that at best only 18 of those trips are useful to commuters. He said one trip that won't serve commuters well is the 7:02 p.m. train from Antioch that runs nonstop to Chicago once it leaves Grayslake.
The 7:02 should make all stops, and then when it turns around at union station, it should leave at 9:00 or 9:30 instead of 8:30
3.By comparison, the new schedule has five inbound trains running between 5:57 a.m. and 7:27 a.m. The next one doesn't leave until 9:42 a.m..
Why complain they only have a 2 hour wait instead of wating unitll 3:00pm.


4.Getting back home isn't any better, he said. People who now take the 6:17p.m. from Chicago will have to wait until 7 p.m. or take an earlier train at 6 p.m.[/quote]

Whats up at least there are trains leaving after 6pm.[/quote]

  by JamesT4
 
doepack wrote: Berman said Metra has reneged on its promise to increase service on the line from 10 to 22 trains. Instead, he said, the service will offer 20 trains.
Metra did said that they was going to have 22 instead of 20. I think that the 11th round trip was a late night train, but metra must had decided to not to add a late night train on the NCS compair to the SWS which has one or two.
Berman said the new schedule lists 10 inbound and 10 outbound trips. But he said that at best only 18 of those trips are useful to commuters. He said one trip that won't serve commuters well is the 7:02 p.m. train from Antioch that runs nonstop to Chicago once it leaves Grayslake.
The 7:02 should had been scheduled tomake all stops instead of going in non-stop from grayslake, and then when it turns around at CUS, it should leave between 9:00 or 9:30 instead of 8:30.
3.By comparison, the new schedule has five inbound trains running between 5:57 a.m. and 7:27 a.m. The next one doesn't leave until 9:42 a.m..
Why complain there is more trains through out the day.

Getting back home isn't any better, he said. People who now take the 6:17p.m. from Chicago will have to wait until 7 p.m. or take an earlier train at 6 p.m.[/quote]

Whats up at least there are trains leaving after 6pm.

  by AMTK84
 
METX411 and 4 new cars are at Antioc for the start of the new service; my source saw 411 and the new cars and said: "The coaches are all waxed and are spotless; the engine is spotless." Additionally, METX411 is now named "North Central Service"; my source described a conversation between him and the person who worked on the lettering on 411, and that person said: "It took for ever!".

  by MetraBNSF
 
It'd be ironic if 411 is assigned to NCS, much like how 211 is right now. Off-topic, but my guess is now 411 will stay on MILW/NCS and 406 came over from BNSF to RI to replace 411, since BNSF has extra locos anyway.

With all the New Start services in place, it'll be interesting to see where all the rolling stock and locos end up.

  by AMTK84
 
406 went to RI to replace 422; 213 went to BN to replace 406; remember that 411 has been on MILW/NCS since it came back from rebuild.

  by AMTK84
 
Well the first outbound NCS train of the new eara was slightly delayed because of engine problems with the METX411; it also caused minor delays to train 2206 and the short-turn to 2205.