Lower Montauk Division Discussion

So if this train only runs with 19 pax west of Jamaica why not add a stop at Hunterspoint Ave? No more Lower Montauk means they have to pass through this station anyway (at 5 mph I'm sure).

C secondary and M.C secondary are under NYA control.

Thanks for the clarification on C and MC.

I was aware of the tansfer of the Lower Montauk to the NYA, but was unaware that the section of track would be downgraded to secondary and renamed "NYAR Secondary", which is why I posted the pic from Bliss. Thus the title, the Montauk branch now ends at Hall.

All semantics, I suppose!

The lower Montauk section is being transferred to NYA and will be freight only

You mean non-Passenger carrying trains.

Nope, just freight trains. Deadheads won't even be able to use the Lower Montauk now.

Nope, just freight trains. Deadheads won't even be able to use the Lower Montauk now.

Wrong. And btw, they proper term is equipment train, not deadhead.

Is the definition of a "deadhead" an employee riding on a pass while not on duty or transferring between runs on that equipment?

I didn't know there was a definition for "deadhead". A lot of places refer to moving equipment not in service as deadheading. On the LIRR, equipment not in service being moved is referred to as an "equipment train", and an employee travelling while not performing service, on or off the clock, as a deadheading employee, and that train or other mode of transportation as their "deadhead train" or "deadhead vehicle".

Now, referring to EM2000's comment "You mean non-Passenger carrying trains." I think that was just a sarcastic jab at the media coverage of the *equipment train* that derailed a week and a half ago, which some reporters were referring to as a "freight train", which it clearly was since it wasn't carrying any passengers

Yeah I wasn't aware that an empty train HAS to be called an "equipment train" rather than a "deadhead". That isn't to say LIRR lexicon or paperwork doesn't prefer "equipment train", but it's not worth splitting hairs over on a railfan forum.

The term "deadhead" pertains to an employee traveling on a train to/from work or during a tour of duty.

EM2000 wrote:The term "deadhead" pertains to an employee traveling on a train to/from work or during a tour of duty.

It also pertains to a passenger train being run to a destination while not in passenger service.

Not on the LIRR.

This convo seems to be going in circles.

Right, the basics are a "deadhead" is commonly used for either an employee or train travelling but not working, but on LIRR the paperwork and official lingo does not use "deadhead" to refer to an empty moving train. Again, not worth splitting such minute hairs on a railfan forum.

PS - which was better, Rocky V or Rocky 5???

Tadman wrote: PS - which was better, Rocky V or Rocky 5???

rocky 5 might be sly at his most incoherent, the entire first act is him making one long "eeehhhhhhh" noise. best one of the bunch.