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Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

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 #1520879  by Backshophoss
 
Same Bridge,M/L cutoff was a hand throw switch on the bridge,ended at the crossover switches to M/L 1 and M/L 2,
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 #1568923  by Jeff Smith
 
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Rather than spend $2,2 billion to build a light rail system which could take a decade or more, why not ask the LIRR to resume service on this corridor which ended in 1998? They could run a two-car scoot service reconnecting Long Island City, Glendale and Middle Village with other communities including Richmond Hill and other intermediate stops to Jamaica.

The LIRR could use existing equipment which would afford far early implementation of service versus Light Rail. This would provide connections east bound to the J/Z and E subway lines, Kennedy Airport via Train to Plane and Jamaica LIRR Station. Queens residents traveling to jobs and colleges in Nassau and Suffolk counties would have access to all LIRR branches except the Port Washington line. Ditto for those traveling to the Barclay Center and downtown Brooklyn via the LIRR Atlantic Avenue branch.

There would also be connections west bound at either Hunters Point or Long Island City LIRR stations to the No. 7 subway line.
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 #1568958  by ConstanceR46
 
I feel this isn't accounting for the stretching of cab cars and diesels.

IMO the best option would be to tie up the east-end services with an order of FRA-exemption Euro units - perhaps FLIRTs - and then deploy those on the Lower Montauk, Bay Ridge, etc and so on. It wouldn't be that difficult to time-separate the NYAR, would it?
 #1569124  by krispy
 
A little splash of reality here - everyone forgets why the LI abandoned it in the first place. A requirement for compliant stations with ADA (as opposed to posting a station sign by a crossing) and having to wire the branch for PTC. Big $$$. Also, really low passenger counts. A few old timers and a few UPS guys heading to LIC.

Now the ABS is gone/torn up, and tracks have not been maintained to fast pax standards. So lots of work to do, and the funds are rapidly going to dry up. If someone else could get the money, I'm sure the LI would love to go back to their roots, but here they have to make do with what Albany dolls out.

There's a couple of local Queens politicians who like to trot this out for whatever reason, and then there's much more ready to pounce on it in favor against. There's a very hostile Community Board in Fresh Pond and apartment complex in Glendale that have had a lot of practice trying to decimate what's there already, for years.
 #1569144  by ConstanceR46
 
Yes, but keep in mind - it was abandoned a little over 20 years ago, when LIC was far, far less residential and dense, there wasn't as much hype around the possible re-activation of the Rockaway line, the Triboro RX wasn't even close to thought out.

I think it's at least worth discussing it without being dismissed as a dreamer.
 #1637409  by Jeff Smith
 
I grabbed some Google Earth screenshots of this area by the East River Tunnels portals. Always wondered what those bridges were when passing by on a train. Posted them in the Abandoned Rails Facebook group and my hunch was confirmed: Lower Montauk. These tracks led from the Sunnyside yard to Newtown Creek. Very interesting.

Also found out that in the early 80’s there were plans to use this as the route to the 63rd Street tunnel. Would that have simplified the interlocking part of ESA?

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 #1637431  by R36 Combine Coach
 
krispy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:47 pm Everyone forgets why the LI abandoned it in the first place. A requirement for compliant stations with ADA (as opposed to posting a station sign by a crossing) and having to wire the branch for PTC. Big $$$. Also, really low passenger counts.
A single door mini high would be sufficient for ADA. But Fresh Pond with a old footbridge and boarding a train in an active yard with no platform would been the biggest issue.
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