BL20g (no H) - 700 series for MTA Staten Island RailRoad

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BL20g (no H) - 700 series for MTA Staten Island RailRoad

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According railpictures.net this is one of 28 units ordered by MNCR ???
no H for HEP and no visible HEP receptacles, also flexicoil trucks ?????????????
No Communications jumpers, no coolant check door between first two and third radiator sections ??
If so, its smart to number them in different numbers, to not confuse sending wrong units for passenger service.
Purchase of Switcher and Shuttle Locomotives
This project provides for the acquisition of five new 2,000 horsepower diesel locomotives
suitable for road and switching service and equipped with head end power (HEP) for
shuttle service. The project will complete the program begun in the 2005-2009 Capital
Program (with the purchase of eleven similar locomotives) and create a uniform fleet of
sixteen diesel locomotives universally suitable for all duties outside Grand Central
Terminal. These locomotives will complete the replacement of nineteen unreliable 40- to
60-year-old units in seven different classes, which, along with three more recent
locomotives confined to duties at Harmon Yard and GCT, made up the switcher and
shuttle fleets. The uniformity of the new fleet will provide operational flexibility, improve
reliability, and standardize maintenance procedures, as only one class of locomotive will
need to be maintained. Total cost in the proposed 2008-2013 Capital Program is $12
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Re: BL20g (no H)

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Yeah I was confused when I saw that too. Where the heck did the numbering come from? I thought that the units were going to be in the 100's.

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Re: BL20g (no H)

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Are they including LIRR's order of 12 engines in their total number of engines built?

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could very well be, plus two for SIRR and the two BL14cg's for MNCR (already built)
LIRR 2008 > 2013 budget,Work Locomotive Spec Development / Procurement
Included in this proposed program is the specification development and purchase of 12
locomotives, to replace aging work locomotives that are past their useful lives. These
locomotives are used to apply alcohol to the rails during ice condition, apply sandite
during autumn leaf season, and transport materials as part of the LIRR infrastructure
maintenance. The cost for Work Locomotive Spec Development is $2.8 million, plus $23
million dollars for the procurement.

Protect Locomotive Spec Development / Procurement
This project includes the development of a specification and purchase of two protect
locomotives to support LIRR service to Grand Central via the 63rd Street tunnel, as well
as the East River Tunnels and their approaches. The locomotive profile of the current
fleet of protects is too large to operate in the 63rd Street tunnel. Protect locomotives are
utilized to rescue disabled passenger trains as well as operate work trains. The two new
protect locomotives will be located in western Queens, where they can serve both sets
of tunnels under the East River. The cost for Protect Locomotive Spec Development is
$2.8 million, plus $9 million dollars for the procurement.
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700-series?? Lettered for Metro-North? I'm confused...
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Re: BL20g (no H)

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Trains;Locomotives (not the normal magazine) has an article that talks about about the BL20G/BL20GHs on page 18, then has a pics and techincal data on pages 20-21. The article says 12 units (HEP) will go to MNRR (6 in MNRR numbered in the 110s, 6 in CDOT numbered in the 120s &130), and that the units without HEP (776-779) are for Capital Construction. the two locos for SI are BL14CG genset switchers.

the problem that page 21 says that SI is getting the 4 HEP-less units. I going to go with the asumpition that the frist set of numbers is the right set.
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Re: BL20g (no H)

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I just want to get clear on this......

lets review the roster:

110-115 BL20GH (MN) 6
125-130 BL20GH (CDOT) 6
401-402 BL14CG (MN) 2
776-779 BL20G (MN) 4

Brookville claims that the BL14CGs were ordered by MTA Capital Construction, but lettered Metro North. Is there any truth to this????

Secondly, whats the deal - the above is eighteen (18) units..... How many and of what type are supposed to go to SIRT and which ones exactly are for MTA Capital Construction????? Lastly - whats this mention of LIRR getting some????

--JSW

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District D RTC wrote:I just want to get clear on this......

lets review the roster:

110-115 BL20GH (MN) 6
125-130 BL20GH (CDOT) 6
401-402 BL14CG (MN) 2
776-779 BL20G (MN) 4

Brookville claims that the BL14CGs were ordered by MTA Capital Construction, but lettered Metro North. Is there any truth to this????

Secondly, whats the deal - the above is eighteen (18) units..... How many and of what type are supposed to go to SIRT and which ones exactly are for MTA Capital Construction????? Lastly - whats this mention of LIRR getting some????

--JSW
Your not the only one. the one thing I'm guessing is that the two unit order with be more likley for SIR because SIR only has two now, why the heck would they need two more.
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Re: BL20g (no H)

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Since no one has spotted the115 yet could it be that the next engine after 114 will actually be 775 ??
original order was for 11 with 2008>2013 order for 5.
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District D RTC wrote:Brookville claims that the BL14CGs were ordered by MTA Capital Construction, but lettered Metro North. Is there any truth to this????
Well, MTA is not a railroad, Metro-North is, so is it possible that these units are owned by MTA, operated by Metro-North?
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DutchRailnut wrote:Since no one has spotted the115 yet could it be that the next engine after 114 will actually be 775 ??
original order was for 11 with 2008>2013 order for 5.
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Re: BL20g (no H) - 700 series for Metro-North?

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Well this sure threw me for a loop. I guess these will replace our beloved geep's. I thought we had a few more years, maybe not. :( :(

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Re: BL20g (no H) - 700 series for Metro-North?

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COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FACTUAL INFORMATION SAYS the 776 is not a Metro-North unit at all, but rather one of the new units for the Staten Island Railroad. Unit is labeled for Metro-North but that is a mistake. As of now Metro-North hasn't purchased the BL20G unit. This also means that the 6 GP35R's, the GP8, the GP9, and the NYCTA 064 will be with us for a while longer :wink: .
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FL9AC wrote:Word has it that the 776 is not a Metro-North unit at all, but rather one of the new units for the Staten Island Railroad. Unit is labeled for Metro-North but that looks to be a mistake. As of now Metro-North hasn't purchased the BL20G unit. This also means that the 6 GP35R's, the GP8, the GP9, and the NYCTA 064 will be with us for a while longer :wink: .
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Re: BL20g (no H) - 700 series for Metro-North?

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Does anyone know what these will be used for after ESA? I know that is a ways off, but still...

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