CP 109 Gets Cut In This Weekend

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New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by gregorygrice » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:23 pm

I recently read the April edition of Metro North's Mileposts (The little pamphlets that display current events on the system and on-time performance) and found this inside:

"On the Harlem Line, we will continue to install a new interlocking (which allows trains to switch from one track to another) in the Bronx between Fordham and Botanical Garden station,which will help improve travel times and provide us with greater operating flexibility through the area, especially in the event of a disabled train."

Does anyone have details or info on this project? When did it start? Thanks in advance.

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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:05 am

started over a year ago, at MP-9 it will allow trains to go from express track to local track only at 1>3 and 2>4 tracks.
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by Clean Cab » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:25 am

I think it will be called CP 109. Funny thing is there used to be an interlocking in the same area. I think it was called "FD" or "BG".
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:47 am

your right about it being CP-109
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by fl9m2004 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:51 pm

I'll have to look for it while riding to and from Grand Central
At least the expresses can go to express track from local

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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by truck6018 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:11 pm

fl9m2004 wrote:I'll have to look for it while riding to and from Grand Central
At least the expresses can go to express track from local
Nothing to see currently except some bridge plates at the Bronx stations on the weekends. I don't think they are close to laying any kind of new iron just yet.

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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by Clean Cab » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:21 pm

Last time I rode through the Bronx (about a month ago), all I saw was the signal boxes and troughs being installed along track #4.
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by RearOfSignal » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:20 pm

Laying the tracks will probably be the easiest and quickest part. The installation of the electronic and communications devices will be most of the work. I hope though that while some of those tracks are OOS they replace some of the ties in the bronx. The tracks between CP 112 and CP 5 are just plain shameful! I wonder if they'll just keep lowering the speed in the Bronx instead of fixing things?

Was there any other reason besides the concrete ties for lowering the speed between BG curve and CP 106 from 80mph? Yes Fordham curve was 60mph, but any still plenty of room to do 80mph down in the cut, no?
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by gregorygrice » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:55 pm

RearOfSignal wrote:Laying the tracks will probably be the easiest and quickest part. The installation of the electronic and communications devices will be most of the work. I hope though that while some of those tracks are OOS they replace some of the ties in the bronx. The tracks between CP 112 and CP 5 are just plain shameful! I wonder if they'll just keep lowering the speed in the Bronx instead of fixing things?

Was there any other reason besides the concrete ties for lowering the speed between BG curve and CP 106 from 80mph? Yes Fordham curve was 60mph, but any still plenty of room to do 80mph down in the cut, no?
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by pbass » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:50 pm

There was a tower[signal station] at Botanical Garden called "BG".The foundation for it is just a few feet south of the station on track 4 side,removed from service circa 1965.

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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by Clean Cab » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:56 pm

gregorygrice wrote:
RearOfSignal wrote:Laying the tracks will probably be the easiest and quickest part. The installation of the electronic and communications devices will be most of the work. I hope though that while some of those tracks are OOS they replace some of the ties in the bronx. The tracks between CP 112 and CP 5 are just plain shameful! I wonder if they'll just keep lowering the speed in the Bronx instead of fixing things?

Was there any other reason besides the concrete ties for lowering the speed between BG curve and CP 106 from 80mph? Yes Fordham curve was 60mph, but any still plenty of room to do 80mph down in the cut, no?
Yeah those mud spots look terrible.
The track speed from CP 112 (Woodlawn) to MP 10.0 is 75 MPH. But from MP 10.0 to MP 6.2 the track speed is only 60 MPH. It was 65 MPH from MP 9.8 to MP 8.8 and 80 MPH to MP 6.6 where it dropped to 65 MPH. But the condition of the concrete ties has caused the track speed to be lowered. I do not know if the interlocking project for CP 109 will include tie replacement, but something needs to be done. Some engineers don't even like doing 60 in that area.
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by DutchRailnut » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:42 pm

first switch went in on track 1, mounted on guess what ?? concrete ties..:-(
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by Clean Cab » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:05 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:first switch went in on track 1, mounted on guess what ?? concrete ties..:-(

Some people (or railroads) never learn!!!
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by RearOfSignal » Sun May 05, 2013 9:17 am

Anyone know what speed the crossovers will be good for? Typically the high-speed crossovers are laid on concrete ties, but judging from the length of the points on the first half of the crossover that is already installed it looks like the won't be anything better than medium speed.
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Re: New Interlocking Between Fordham & Botanical Garden

Post by truck6018 » Sun May 05, 2013 9:25 am

Movable frogs?

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