Is the old Harvard Square train station now used as the bus dopot? It looks like it's some sort of old station. Please don't delete because this is bus-related.
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Adams_Umass_Boston wrote:Our site Admin has a great site in which he has posted the photos he took of the old station. Since there were many "old" Harvard stations I am not sure if this was the one you were thinking of.The images on Page 3 appear to be from the same location I saw images of, that must be it. Thanks!
Here is Johns amazing photo set, I'm sure he wont mind the free plug.
http://sery2831.smugmug.com/Trains/Harv ... 0374_pD9P9
CRail wrote:I believe the question was "Is the current busway a former train station." To which the answer is no. Although like I said it was originally used by streetcars, making it similar to a green line stop today, except with buses mixed in (must have been neat).Enclosed multi-mode terminals were actually pretty common. Forest Hills, Egleston, Dudley, Sullivan Sq., Everett, Ashmont, Fields Corner, Andrew Sq., Harvard Sq. had them, running rapid, surface, trackless, and buses - and yes, they were way cool !
CRail wrote:I believe the question was "Is the current busway a former train station." To which the answer is no. Although like I said it was originally used by streetcars, making it similar to a green line stop today, except with buses mixed in (must have been neat).Actually, it was strictly a streetcar subway in the early days with regular ballasted trackbed and all. It went over to dual use sometime between 1938 when the 72 became the first line to go trackless and 1958 when streetcar service on the 71, 73, and present-day 77A ended. I don't know exactly how long it was multi-use...probably started when the number of bustitutions hit critical mass and they needed someplace other than Cambridge Common and Mt. Auburn to turn routes.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:1912 - 1938 ~ all streetcar
Actually, it was strictly a streetcar subway in the early days with regular ballasted trackbed and all. It went over to dual use sometime between 1938 when the 72 became the first line to go trackless and 1958 when streetcar service on the 71, 73, and present-day 77A ended. I don't know exactly how long it was multi-use...probably started when the number of bustitutions hit critical mass and they needed someplace other than Cambridge Common and Mt. Auburn to turn routes.
3rdrail wrote:Yeah, but did the 72's start using the tunnel immediately in '38 or were they looped around Cambridge Common until some of the lines coming other directions into Harvard went by the boards? I doubt they would've dropped everything to pave and re-rail the tunnel right away for a short lower-ridership line of connecting wire. It would've taken a few more years and increasing system isolation from connected track (e.g. the Lechmere lines going in '41 and severing whatever extant track connection was left on Somerville Ave. to the carhouse) for the writing on the wall to give impetus for future-proofing the tunnel. Harvard didn't suffer its first really crushing streetcar blow until the 1 fell in '49, ending all streetcar service to the south.F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:1912 - 1938 ~ all streetcar
Actually, it was strictly a streetcar subway in the early days with regular ballasted trackbed and all. It went over to dual use sometime between 1938 when the 72 became the first line to go trackless and 1958 when streetcar service on the 71, 73, and present-day 77A ended. I don't know exactly how long it was multi-use...probably started when the number of bustitutions hit critical mass and they needed someplace other than Cambridge Common and Mt. Auburn to turn routes.
1938 - 1958 ~ streetcar/trackless trolley
1958 - @1964 ~ all trackless trolley
@1964 - present ~ trackless trolley/buses
It started "dual-mode" in 1938 with the Huron Avenue trackless line (72), followed by the 71, 73, 77, and 82. Buses got in there in the early 60's.
Adams_Umass_Boston wrote:Our site Admin has a great site in which he has posted the photos he took of the old station. Since there were many "old" Harvard stations I am not sure if this was the one you were thinking of.I am glad you guys enjoy the images
Here is Johns amazing photo set, I'm sure he wont mind the free plug.
http://sery2831.smugmug.com/Trains/Harv ... 0374_pD9P9
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Yeah, but did the 72's start using the tunnel immediately in '38 or were they looped around Cambridge Common until some of the lines coming other directions into Harvard went by the boards? I doubt they would've dropped everything to pave and re-rail the tunnel right away for a short lower-ridership line of connecting wire. It would've taken a few more years and increasing system isolation from connected track (e.g. the Lechmere lines going in '41 and severing whatever extant track connection was left on Somerville Ave. to the carhouse) for the writing on the wall to give impetus for future-proofing the tunnel. Harvard didn't suffer its first really crushing streetcar blow until the 1 fell in '49, ending all streetcar service to the south.The 1938 map specifies that route (then the 51) as stopping at "Harvard Sta.", same as the routes that were still streetcars at the time. Other routes, like today's 69 (then the 66, and also a TT line), are listed as "Harvard Sq." So it would appear that the tunnel floor was paved at the same time the 72 went TT. Looking at the maps brings up another question: did the current 69 go through the tunnel before it went TT, or has it always looped around on the surface?
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:F and Derek -
Yeah, but did the 72's start using the tunnel immediately in '38 or were they looped around Cambridge Common until some of the lines coming other directions into Harvard went by the boards? I doubt they would've dropped everything to pave and re-rail the tunnel right away for a short lower-ridership line of connecting wire. It would've taken a few more years and increasing system isolation from connected track (e.g. the Lechmere lines going in '41 and severing whatever extant track connection was left on Somerville Ave. to the carhouse) for the writing on the wall to give impetus for future-proofing the tunnel. Harvard didn't suffer its first really crushing streetcar blow until the 1 fell in '49, ending all streetcar service to the south.