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 #166553  by jwhite07
 
The report came from George Chiasson. You probably know him.
 #166710  by trolleyguy
 
jwhite07 wrote:A friend of mine who recently attended an ERA charter in Dallas says that people on the charter were reporting that Carrollton car barn (and thus the original Perley Thomas cars) escaped relatively unscathed, but the new barn on Canal Street was not so fortunate.
The following is a report from The Times-Picayune newspaper
of New Orleans concerning the condition of the streetcar system there,
dated Monday, September 12, 2005:
Floodwaters also may be full of gasoline

Some streetcars still under water

Half of buses may be beyond repair

By Frank Donze
Staff writer

Much of New Orleans’ public transit infrastructure, including the brand-
new Canal Street streetcars that debuted to considerable fanfare in April,
2004, the riverfront trolleys and at least half of the 350 buses in the fleet,
remain partially submerged in floodwaters and may be beyond repair,
Regional Transit Authority officials said.

The 24 apple-red streetcars – assembled largely by hand by RTA artisans
as part of a $161 million project that restored rail service to Canal
Street after an absence of nearly 40 years - were stored at the A.
Philip Randolph Operations Facility in the 2800 block of Canal as Hurricane
Katrina approached the Louisiana coast.

The RTA also used the Randolph facility to house about 175 buses and
the seven streetcars that have comprised the riverfront line for the
past 16 years. When transit workers evacuated the building nearly two
weeks ago, water levels in the parking lot had already risen “up to the
steering wheels’’ of most of the vehicles.

“It wasn’t a pretty sight,’’ said Mark Major, the agency’s finance
director. “Those new streetcars have a lot of delicate electronics. Even if
they were sitting in clear pool water, it would have caused serious
problems. The fact that the water is filled with gasoline and other
corrosives is not good news.’’

He said the same holds true for buses.

In the 16 months since they began operating, the Canal streetcars,
which cost almost $1 million each, became very popular among locals
and visitors, boosting ridership on the line beyond expectations.

Major said the 35 streetcars on the historic St. Charles Avenue line
appear to have escaped serious water damage, although the condition
of the tracks and the bed beneath them, the overhead electrical system
and the power stations is unknown.

“We’re hoping the metal bodies (of the streetcars) are OK,’’ he said.
“But until we get a look inside, we won’t know what can be salvaged.
Some may be in good shape, some may have damage and some may
need total replacement.’’

While all streetcars and buses are covered by insurance, it is unclear
how much depreciation will play into what the RTA can recover and how
soon.

The bottom line, Major said, is that even when New Orleans’ transit
system gets back in business, rail service probably won’t be part of the
equation at first.

“Large portions of Canal Street are still sitting in water,’’ he said.

“There’s a lot that has to be assessed, but we believe it’s imperative
to get some kind of rail back in service as soon as possible. Our
streetcars are icons and it’s important that our citizens see them up and
running.’’

The RTA did not store any of its buses at the agency’s headquarters in
eastern New Orleans, which suffered some of the worst flooding in the
city.

Some 150 buses that were moved to the Poland Avenue Wharf in the
Lower Ninth Ward appear to have fared well, but about 70 of those
vehicles were commandeered by the police and fire departments, the
National Guard, and in a few cases by individual citizens who used them
to evacuate family members, friends and neighbors.

The RTA is in the process of recovering those buses and other
unaccounted-for vehicles. The agency has learned that two buses wound
up in Lafayette, one in Opelousas and one in Bunkie. Two other buses
were found in the Ninth Ward, where residents used them several days
for shelter.

In what may be the only bit of good news, RTA spokeswoman Deslie
Isidore said it looks like the passengers on the pirated buses “did not lay
a finger on the fareboxes.’’

In the short term, the RTA will offer all functioning buses in its fleet for
use in the recovery effort.

FEMA officials have asked that some of the buses be made available as
early as next week for transport between Baton Rouge and New Orleans
for staffers, clean-up crews, construction workers and other participants
in the rebuilding process.

Major also said RTA buses and drivers soon may be rolling through the
streets of Baton Rouge to help relieve the pressure that tens of thousands
of south Louisiana evacuees have placed on the capital city’s traffic.

 #169634  by octr202
 
Here's some photographic evidence of the flooding at the Canal St. Carbarn:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=119922

 #170984  by pdxstreetcar
 
This post-Katrina NOAA satelite map shows the Carrollton shops and the St. Charles Line in the vicinity of Riverbend:
http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24429330.jpg
(The large white building on the left of the picture is the shops, the two wide boulevards that intersect at the river are St. Charles & Carrollton)

Canal Street facility which is completely flooded in this satelite photo...
http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24427963.jpg
 #190892  by capltd29
 
Does anyone have a rough estimate of when the Street Cars are expected to be up and running?

Thank you
 #191490  by trolleyguy
 
From all I have been able to determine, it is going to be a good long time before New Orleans's streetcars run again.

Although the St. Charles Avenue line's cars survived the hurricane ok, the route they run on suffered extensive damage to the overhead wires, most of which were brought down by high winds and fallen trees. The grassy right-of-way, which New Orleanians refer to as the neutral ground, is littered from end to end with countless temporary signs advertising everything ranging from reopenings of businesses and hurricane recovery services such as mold eradication and trash removal to demolitions of flooded house interiors, etc., etc. Furthermore, the neutral ground has now been turned into one vast linear parking lot, and in many places the track bed has been damaged by heavy National Guard military vehicles driven over it. Read this: http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/index.ssf? ... xml&coll=1

The Canal and Riverfront lines have just the opposite problem: their rights-of-way are relatively intact (except for flooded-out electrical substations needing total replacement) but the twenty-four brand-new Canal and seven slightly older Riverfront streetcars were all parked in five to six feet of brackish (salty) water from Lake Pontchartrain for more than two weeks, and will have to be entirely rebuilt, at a cost of approximately one million dollars each. No one yet knows whether the federal government will come up with the money to rebuild them. The RTA is completely broke, and has no money of its own to use to rebuild the cars, so it's waiting for federal help.

As if the above weren't bad enough, most of the RTA personnel who formerly worked on the streetcars are no longer present in the city, and are scattered all across the country because they were forced to abandon their homes by the water from the breached levees. More than eighty percent of the residential districts of New Orleans were flooded and rendered uninhabitable. To date, only a small percentage of the city's former population has returned. Many sections of the city are still empty and dark, without electricity, running water, or gas for heating and cooking. The houses are full of mold and ruined furnishings and appliances, and are going to have to be extensively renovated. Many people are waiting to see how much help they will be able to get from Washington and their insurance policies. Many more had no flood insurance and little or no savings - so they, too, are in a real bind.

Consequently, there is not much demand or need for the level of public transportation services as there was before Katrina hit. The RTA is now running free, but very limited, bus service along some of the former streetcar and bus routes, paid for by FEMA. There is only about one bus per hour in each direction along each restored route.

Until more people return and rebuild their homes, public transit in New Orleans will remain as a very limited bus service for the foreseeable future.

The thinking now is that streetcars will probably not be brought back for at least two, perhaps as long as five, years from now.

Many people are holding off on returning to New Orleans and rebuilding their homes until they are assured of a firm commitment from Washington that it is going to reconstruct the levees to withstand category-five hurricanes. As of today (December 2, 2005) Congress is still sitting on its collective backside dithering over whether or not to spend the money needed to help New Orleans recover and protect it against future hurricanes.

Stay tuned.
 #1143629  by Jeff Smith
 
Here's an old chestnut, revived to encompass the new line just opened: Progressive Railroading
New Orleans opens Loyola Avenue streetcar line

The New Orleans Regional Transit Authority (NORTA) marked the opening yesterday of the Loyola Avenue-Union Passenger Terminal streetcar line, which extends transit service to the city's French Quarter, the Superdome and downtown job centers.

The line features four new stations, travels through the city's business district, and connects directly with Amtrak and intercity bus service at the Union Passenger Terminal, as well as streetcar service on Canal Street.

The line already is attracting new business and residential development to the area, federal and city officials said in a statement issued by the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT).

"We are committed to helping New Orleans modernize its historic streetcar line, which has become an important catalyst for revitalizing the downtown business and tourist districts," said U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.
 #1176143  by Jeff Smith
 
Louisianaweekly.com
Rampart streetcar extension to open in 2015, RTA says

Work will begin next year on a $71 million North Rampart streetcar extension, linked to the new Loyola Ave. line and funded by a sales-tax bond, New Orleans Regional Transit Authority leaders said at a public meeting Wednesday. The Rampart segment should open for riders in late 2015 and will run from Canal St. to Elysian Fields. The RTA is committed longer term to extending the line along St. Claude Ave. across Press St. to Poland Ave. and eventually to the St. Bernard Parish line, Justin Augustine, senior vice president of Veolia Transdev said Wednesday.

Bill Norquist, an engineer with RTA contractor AECOM Transportation, said Rampart streetcars will run up against, but not on the neutral ground—which is already full of cables, AT&T trunk lines, gas lines and an underground drainage canal dating to the 1800s. Streetcar drivers will have their own lane during rush hours but will share pavement with autos and trucks the rest of the time. Augustine said “a psychological signal of “don’t get in that lane” could keep autos away from streetcar tracks at non-peak times, however.

Word that a dedicated bike lane is planned for one side of Rampart St., heading toward Canal, drew cheers from the audience—which included over a hundred residents, some of whom had biked to the meeting at the French Quarter Hyatt.

Norquist said “the Rampart streetcar design phase is about 60 percent done, and details are gelling but nothing is finalized.” Engineers plan to minimize streetcar squeal and howl, especially near the downtown theater district, he said. Shelters with roofs, seating, ticket vending machines and bike racks are planned for Conti, St. Ann, Ursuline, Esplanade, Pauger and Elysian Fields. Neighborhood associations have been asked to design icons and provide narratives for shelters.