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Passenger locomotives currently for sale

Post by MEC407 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:11 pm

With so many of North America's commuter rail agencies purchasing new diesel locomotives in recent times, there is now a large quantity of used passenger locomotives on the market. Aside from when Amtrak started clearing out their F40s, I can't recall another time in the past 10 years when there were so many used passenger locomotives on the market all at the same time.

Here are some examples of what's currently available:

7 GP40FH-2s ($250K each): http://railswap.org/osc/classifieds/ind ... em&id=1623" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3 F59PHs ($455K each): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... -SALELEASE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... -SALELEASE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

6 F40PH-2s ($330K each): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... ocomotives" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3 F40PH-2s ($380K each): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... ocomotives" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2 F40PHs ($605K): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... -SALELEASE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... -SALELEASE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1 F40PH ($350K): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... SE-REDUCED" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1 F40PH ($320K): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... SE-REDUCED" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2 F40PHs ($405K each): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... -SALELEASE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... -SALELEASE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1 F40PH with "some freeze damage" ($170K): http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... SE-REDUCED" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Note: I'm not connected with any of these companies; I'm just posting this because I thought the topic might be interesting to fellow RAILROAD.NET members, and because I thought it was fairly remarkable to find 26 passenger locomotives on the market all at the same time.
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Post by DutchRailnut » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:52 pm

darn hope you get commission!!
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Post by Ken V » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:04 pm

I find it interesting that most of these were most recently used by AMT and a number belonged to NJT. I guess this is the fallout from these agencies adding some new Bombardier ALP45-DP units to their fleets.
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Post by NH2060 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:15 am

All Aboard Florida you'll want to check these out ;-)

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Post by electricron » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:51 am

NH2060 wrote:All Aboard Florida you'll want to check these out ;-)
Not a single one on that list is capable of 125 mph, so not a single one meets AAF requirements.

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Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:06 am

and not a mile of track in Florida is rated over 79 mph for passenger, and won't be for next 20 years so who cares.
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Post by electricron » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:26 am

DutchRailnut wrote:and not a mile of track in Florida is rated over 79 mph for passenger, and won't be for next 20 years so who cares.
Not now, but AAF plans include 110 mph operations between Palm Beach to Coco Beach, and 125 mph between Coco Beach and Orlando by 2015. Why would they buy used locomotives that can't achieve those speeds?

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Post by MEC407 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:33 am

Are there any U.S. or Canadian commuter operations, current or proposed, that WOULD potentially be interested in the above-listed units?
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Post by electricron » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:52 am

MEC407 wrote:Are there any U.S. or Canadian commuter operations, current or proposed, that WOULD potentially be interested in the above-listed units?
Southeast Michigan might - if it ever becomes a reality. Oklahoma's Eastern Flyer using Iowa Pacific coaches might, assuming it gets approval to start up services. But not any existing commuter rail agencies seem interested.

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Post by MEC407 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:57 am

Thank you. I suspected as much. A frequent poster in the MBTA forum has suggested on several occasions that new/startup commuter operators will be lining up at the MBTA's door to purchase the F40s when MBTA retires them, but considering the glut of F40s and 40-series derivative passenger locomotives already available (and some of them have been available for quite a while), I'm having a hard time figuring out where that demand is going to come from.
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Post by mtuandrew » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:39 pm

If I were at North Carolina DOT, I'd be taking a hard look at the F59s. The F40s and GP40s... maybe Larry's Truck and Electric will pick them up, or one of the rebuilders.

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Post by NH2060 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:55 pm

electricron wrote:Not a single one on that list is capable of 125 mph, so not a single one meets AAF requirements.
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DutchRailnut wrote:and not a mile of track in Florida is rated over 79 mph for passenger, and won't be for next 20 years so who cares.
Not now, but AAF plans include 110 mph operations between Palm Beach to Coco Beach, and 125 mph between Coco Beach and Orlando by 2015. Why would they buy used locomotives that can't achieve those speeds?
If they want to start running in late 2015 something's going to pull those trains and these units have been recently rehabbed so they're not a bad place to start. The F125 -though already in the production/pre-production stage- wouldn't be ready in time by then even if AAF piggybacked onto Metrolink's 10-20 unit order. And from an economic standpoint it's more prudent for AAF/FEC to start with top quality used and rehabbed equipment and wait awhile to gauge ridership numbers, etc. before splurging big $$$ on new trains.

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Post by MEC407 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:23 am

According to a post by Frank Vollhardt on the LocoNotes Yahoo Group, six F40PHs with TANX reporting marks were recently delivered to LTEX. The numbers he listed are 372, 287, 411, 400, 319, and 243. I believe those may be the same units in this group: http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... ocomotives" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Greg Moore » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:28 am

Here we go, the Housatonic Railroad can pick these up for its promised to be profitable passenger service!

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Post by dowlingm » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:35 pm

mtuandrew wrote:If I were at North Carolina DOT, I'd be taking a hard look at the F59s. The F40s and GP40s... maybe Larry's Truck and Electric will pick them up, or one of the rebuilders.
They've already bought and received a bunch of the ex-GO F59s - http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopi ... 4#p1246405" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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