Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by eustis22 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:31 pm

> will encourage hundreds of thousands of user trips each year

This is b.s.

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by amtrakhogger » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:54 pm

How about the “thousands” of trips on the Hobo, Lafayette Dinner train, and the Winnipesaukee RR?
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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by b&m 1566 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:31 pm

For those not aware, there will be a meeting held next Wednesday, 9/25 from 6pm to 8pm at the Guilford Public Library. This meeting will be in regards to what became an entire state study, not just a Laconia study on the WOW Trail. I imagine they will try to incorporate other areas not related to the WOW trail and phase 3 but no doubt the hot button issue of the night will surely be in regards to phase 3 and 4. By the time I get out of work, I'll never make it but would live to be there for it. See the website for more information and how the state broke up the regions for the other meetings (under events).

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by NHV 669 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:50 pm

Budd car NH 41 is on its way north to the Hobo, was in Nashua yard as of yesterday.
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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by Dick H » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:38 pm

Budd Car 41 on the way to the Hobo. May be there by now. Thanks to Jay Gadon for the photo.
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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by b&m 1566 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:44 pm

Is this privately owned or going to be used on the Winnipesaukee and Hobo?

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by NHV 669 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:14 pm

PLLX is the Hobo reporting mark, so it's theirs to use.
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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by Dick H » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:20 pm

Perhaps they will use the Budd RDC as a stand alone unit "between high seasons" and for group charters.
as they Conway Scenic does with Millie.

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by BowdoinStation » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:10 pm

PLLX 41 is a privately owned car. It's very doubtful it would be used for excursion purposes.

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by NHV 669 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:40 am

Using the reporting mark for transport only, then. My bad.
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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by b&m 1566 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:16 am

The WOW Trail presented the study done by Alta Planning and Design to the Laconia City council meeting lastnight. As expected the trail is exceptionally better than rail.
It is less expensive to pull up tracks and put trail in its place than it is to build a trail alongside the tracks.
The study showed a 32:1 benefit-cost ratio for building the trail in place of the tracks, four times higher than putting it alongside the tracks.
Beetle described the railroad right of way as “spectacular, underutilized real estate” that could be transformed into an economic engine and source of pride for the community.
Click here to read the rest of the article. I haven't tried looking for it yet but I hope that report is for public viewing.

So now what? We all know the city and trail members and advocates are going to campaign and lobby hard to get the state to change it's stance that rail takes priority.

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by BowdoinStation » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:16 pm

Mr. Beetle sure plays the old wind song with his misinformed facts. The WOW Trail study paid for by the WOW Trail and Laconia taxpayers got told exactly what they wanted to hear. If someone gave me 40K to do a study, I would tell them exactly what they wanted to hear. Sort of like the Laconia Sun's Best of the Lakes Region Poll. You pay to win with meaningless bragging rights. Also you can tell the paper's inherent bias in the writer's story. The disputed areas is a very active set of tracks. What kind of exact jobs would be created ? Doesn't the Winnipesaukee Scenic add lots of dollars to the local economy ? Just ask all the local vendors that work with the WS..

I wonder if the Northern Rail Trail has brought in that kind of income to the towns along the line.. Quite doubtful. So Mr. Beetle desires to put a thriving business, out of business. He is right about the spectacular views overlooking Paugus Bay, the area where the Winnipesaukee Scenic runs and the area the WOW people want the tracks to be torn up. The good part is that he and others can take a final train ride for the season and take the sights all in.

After all a low information public is better than no public at all..

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by eustis22 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:18 pm

Well if the trains aren't there thats prime waterfront real estate.

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by Hux » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:55 pm

eustis22 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:18 pm
Well if the trains aren't there thats prime waterfront real estate.
It's prime regardless. What is laughable is the idea of the trail being an economic" engine." The same people who would use the trail are already spending money in the area. Unless they plan to put food trucks on their lawns and charge a toll for using the trail, the economic gains are nil.

And then there is the matter of people using the trail, with or without rail in place. You can bet the folks who don't like a relatively infrequent train rolling by are also going to gripe about walkers and cyclists and all other manner of travelers as they transit across their waterfront properties.

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Re: Plymouth & Lincoln Railroad (HOBO, Winnipesaukee Scenic)

Post by b&m 1566 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:23 pm

Well, I don't know what's going to happen next, I don't think anybody does really. If I had to guess, they will "secretly" try to build up political support to get the politicians to back the trail and they are going to need a lot of it, because there's a New Hampshire law prohibiting the destruction of the state owned rail line (any rail line for that matter) and the STB that still has the line under its umbrella and two active railroad companies, one of which is a common carrier. We may not hear anything else on this issue for the next year, five or even 10 but I'm willing to bet they will be very active lobbing for their goal. If you get politicians on your side it's fair game in my opinion, so it can't be taken lightly and laughed off because they maybe the ones smiling in the end.

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