LA&L, WNYP, B&H Diesel Status

I want to get some thought from you guys. I have M636 3664 as being former Cartier 41 which means it's nee. CN 2300.Why then is 3666 now WNYP 636.If you look at the others 420,424,430,630 they are all the class engine from former owners.Any ideas outside of they can do what they want.

Guess I'm not understanding the question. A 636 is numbered 636. Seem a perfect fit to their numbering scheme to me.

RS

It's conceivable that the cars are numbered by the build dates. Is this possible? I don't have the info in front of me.

Dave Becker

I think they are done "first come, first numbured"

LAL 420 was the first C420 on the roster, so it got the number.
same with 425 and 430.

Im not sure if 424 was the first of the Guilford units placed back in service or not, but if it was, the theory holds there too.

The current LAL 421, 422, 423 and 424 dont seem to follow any logical sequential pattern based on their predecessor or original road numbers,
so it makes sense that 424 was the first back in service..
although, if that is true, you then have an odd numbering sequence where 424 came first, followed by 421, 422 and 423..
but you cant logically go from 424 to 425, since 425 already existed.
so it makes sense to me that 424 would have been the first back in service, and 421, 422 and 423 got their numbers to fit the sequence, even though they were "backwards" after 424..

But for the most part, the theory works.
hold on...no it doesnt...because among the C430's, 431 and 432 were operating long before 430 was! although 430 was the first painted in LAL colors! although did 430 (a susquehanna engine) arrive on the property before 431 and 432 did?? (the M&E engines)..if so, then 430 can be said to be the first LAL C430, even though it wasnt returned to service for many years, it was still the first on the property, making it thew logical choice to get the 430 number..so maybe the theory does hold there..

(actually, the two susquehanna engines arrived together..maybe 430 got the number because it was deemed the most likely to return to service first of the pair..which it was...same with the Guilford engines..they arrived together, but maybe 424 was given the number because it was the first worked on and the first to return to service with LAL.)

As for the new WNYP 636, it probably got the "class number" simply because it is going to be the first of the Cartier units to operate with LAL..
the predecessor numbers dont, and dont need to, have anything do with the eventual LAL numbering scheme..

please note that all of the above is pure guesswork on my part!
just trying to work it out logically..

Scot

Well Thanks for trying to help. By the way anyone know how 550&4264 will fall into the numbering.

Actually the C-430s are in builder number order. Bill Burt and I had several discussions on this topic. The C-424s would have been in builder number order, too, except they wanted the first one built, E-L 2401, to have the "class" number of 424. I have not checked to see if 426 follows that pattern, but I believe it does.

Sandy

It is being reported on Railfan.net that the 4264, 4228, 4223 and 636 arrived in Olean today. I guess I won't photograph them tomorrow in Cohocton.

Sandy

sallenparks wrote:Well Thanks for trying to help. By the way anyone know how 550&4264 will fall into the numbering.

It would appear that 4264 has been given the number..4264!

WNYP 4264, RRPX 4223, RRPX 4228 & WNYP 636
have left Cohocton and ran light to Olean today,
as seen here:

http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?bo ... 1191707404

Its interesting that "rrtasc" refers to 636 as "WNYP 636"..
last we all heard the Cartier units were all leased..I cant quite make out from the pics if its actually stenciled WNYP on the cab..
but its been given some fresh paint!
basically a freshening of the Cartier colors, but definately a paint touch-up.

Scot

Scotty it is I saw her Thursday Letter WNY&P Under cab window.

I think it is a builder # thing...though there is one big hole in that theory. I blieve 630 is the first one built, or something like that, and isn't the 631 (ex-73) the last one built?

If so, it could still apply if the Cartier's will be renumbered in order...so, 636, the fifth in the bunch? Yes?

Dave Becker

An informed source tells me that the 636 will be named "Walter G. Rich" someday when it is repainted.

A fitting tribute to a great man!

Early October Update:

B&H 4: Stored @ Cohocton
5: Stored @ Cohocton
LA&L 20: Stored @ Lakeville (wheels)
72: Active Lakeville Switcher

ONCT 418: Stored @ Lakeville (compressor, MU reinstallation (possibly?) and reactivation)
LA&L 420: Active LA&L Road engine
WNYP 421: Active WNYP Road engine
B&H 422: Active B&H Road engine

LA&L 423: Active B&H Road Engine
424: Active WNYP Road Engine
425: Active LA&L Road Engine
WNYP 426: Active WNYP Road Engine
LA&L 427, 428, 429: Stored at Lakeville, Awaiting Repairs/Restoration
WNYP 430, 431: Active WNYP Road Engines
WNYP 432: Stored @ Lakeville, Awaiting spring replacements and welding
WNYP 433: Stored @ Lakeville, Awaiting overhaul

WNYP 630: Active WNYP Road Engine
WNYP 73 (WNYP 631): Stored @ Cohocton (Oil leak)

RRPX 4223: Active on the WNYP
4228: Active on the WNYP
WNYP 4264: Active on the WNYP
WNYP 550: Stored @ Lakeville.

Big Footed MLWs/Alcos

Wave 1: (8/18/2007)
3666 Renumbered 636, Now active on the WNYP
3664 Stored @ Cohocton
3668 Stored @ Cohocton

Wave 2: (9/14/2007)
3670 Stored @ Cohocton
3674 Stored @ Cohocton

Wave 3 Alco C636 Demonstrators:
3660 Stored @ Cohocton with freeze damage, needs parts and labor
77 (3662) Stored @ Cohocton with freeze damage, needs parts and labor

The above two units are not a complete loss just yet. They could someday see reactivation (albeit expensive)

3672 (The Straggler): Still @ Binghamton, NY.

Stats to come later...

Thanks, Luther!!

And then there were stats...

Grand Total of 33 Alcos (32 if you do not count 3672 as it has yet to arrive)
88% are 251 Powered
12% are 539 Powered
61% are usable to some degree
70% of the roster are four axle locomotives
30% are six axle locomotives
1% of the roster are switchers
99% of the roster are road-switchers(road engines are road-switchers by definition)
70% of the roster are Schenectady graduates
30% are Montreal graduates
64% (+/- 1%) are slated for use on the WNYP
33% are currently lettered as WNYP engines
30% are actually on the WNYP
27% are lettered for the LA&L (20, 72, 420, 423, 424, 425, 427, 428, 429)
1% is actually in use on the LA&L (72, 420, 425)
1% is lettered for the B&H (4, 5, 422)
33% are on the B&H


You are very welcome Chris. See you track side sometime.

anyone have pics or video of former nysw 3666? Does wnyp have any plans for painting the 6 axle locos?