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glennk419 wrote:It's raining like crazy again, wonder what's sitting up there tonight?Not to worry. The current hydrologic prediction is for the creek to crest just at flood stage, nowhere near what's needed to threaten the tracks.
Edit: NWS just issued a Flood Warning for Bucks at 6:49. Here we flow again.
Jtgshu wrote:It was probably overlooked and or forgotten about, or like usual, no one made a decision, and the crews who ran the trains last, just did what they were told.JT, you may not have known this, but SEPTA's chief officer for rail had resigned rather suddenly a few weeks prior to the storm. His replacement came from the paratransit division.
Matthew Mitchell wrote:I do remember reading that, and well this kinda shows how a failure at the top can trickle all the way down. However, Mr. Mitchell, im SURE someone else in a management position at 1234 Market has been there since before 1999. Also, I believe it was mentioned by maybe ex-budd man above, that it was mentioned to Transportation dept about the flooding in Trenton before the storm... I wouldn't accept the sudden departure of someone as an excuse as to what happened.Jtgshu wrote:It was probably overlooked and or forgotten about, or like usual, no one made a decision, and the crews who ran the trains last, just did what they were told.JT, you may not have known this, but SEPTA's chief officer for rail had resigned rather suddenly a few weeks prior to the storm. His replacement came from the paratransit division.
silverlinerfan22 wrote:From today's Inquirer, a statement from Hopkins said it all..." The creek crested at 14.6 feet in a 1976 storm, but that was before SEPTA took over operations of the railroad." So I guess, in his opinion, because SEPTA now runs it, the creek could never get that high again!But T.S. Floyd did flood the railroad in 1999, when SEPTA was operating. http://acm.jhu.edu/~sthurmovik/Railpics ... ne-mud.jpg (H.T.: Jersey Mike)
scotty269 wrote:I rode from Jenkintown to Temple today, and everything looked good on the way down. We went slow through JENK South and 16th Street, but no other noticeable infrastructure damage remained.I just read this whole thread from the beginning and saw this post. I'm assuming either the train you were riding was following another train or in the case at Jenk south to the 1st curve south Septa has blue S and R signs and they are there permanently and if there's a flood warning then trains must run in those areas at restricted speed. There is that stream that runs along track 1 south of Jenkintown station.
Launcher wrote:He practically blames Amtrak for 5 of the 12 totalled cars. They only would have left Trenton, if Amtrak hadn't shut down their whole system.The "other 7" being the Bomber set, that would have been parked there since Friday evening. With some pre-planning, that train could have been moved to Center City or elsewhere Friday night or even during the day Saturday before Amtrak shut down. Likewise with Amtrak shutting down at 5pm Saturday, they could have combined the MU's into one train and gotten them out earlier, even if it meant stopping service prior to 5pm for Trenton trains....
Wow, you're kidding right? what about the other 7?
At what precise time did Amtrak shut down the line? I had heard 1700 hours Saturday on the news. The trains are scheduled to depart at 1601 (#9724) and 1700 (#9726). I fully expect the #9726 was cancelled. Are they talking about #9724? Did that run get cancelled also?
The "other 7" being the Bomber set, that would have been parked there since Friday evening. With some pre-planning, that train could have been moved to Center City or elsewhere Friday night or even during the day Saturday before Amtrak shut down. Likewise with Amtrak shutting down at 5pm Saturday, they could have combined the MU's into one train and gotten them out earlier, even if it meant stopping service prior to 5pm for Trenton trains....They probably could have gotten away with rolling them up to the "HAM" layover yard as HAM interlocking seemed to avoid the same soaking that FAIR got. Anyway, I don't believe the problem was where to put the trains, but rounding up the people to move them. If operations folk at SEPTA forget something like this (after all, everyone makes mistakes) they can't just pivot and materialize two crews at Trenton. Calling out crews takes time, money and the risk that you might have people stranded somewhere where their cars aren't due to the Hurricane.
