And the cutting begins

firthorfifth06 wrote:101.5 FM and 880 AM says the official announcement on fare hikes and service cuts come today.

Any news yet?

Sneak preview:

Oh never mind, press release went out early so just go here to read the whole thing: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopi ... 45#p779181

And the specific cuts here: http://www.njtransit.com/var/var_servle ... osedRailTo

Pascack Valley Line

* Weekday train 1600 (4:56 a.m. departure from Spring Valley) would either be discontinued or no longer serve New Jersey stations.
* Weekday train 1639 (6:55 p.m. departure from Hoboken) would either be discontinued or no longer serve New Jersey stations.
* Approximately 330 New Jersey customers impacted.

Atlantic City Rail Line

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 4600 (12:46 a.m. departure from Atlantic City)
o Weekday train 4609 (4:24 a.m. from Philadelphia)
o Weekend train 4646/4696 (11:47 p.m. departure from Atlantic City)
o Weekend train 4653 (1:50 a.m. departure from Philadelphia)
o Weekend train 4660 (5:45 a.m. departure from Atlantic City)
o Weekend train 4665 (7:54 a.m. departure from Philadelphia)
* Approximately 100 customers impacted on weekdays; 425 customers affected on weekends.

Main/Bergen County Line

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 1211 (4:50 p.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 1218 (6:10 p.m. departure from Waldwick)
o Weekday train 1279 (9:15 p.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 1282 (10:26 p.m. departure from Waldwick)
* Approximately 400 customers impacted.

Morris & Essex Lines

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 870 (5:27 a.m. departure from Hackettstown)
o Weekday train 873 (7:57 a.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 813 (6:40 p.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 323 (11:20 a.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 348 (3:06 p.m. departure from Summit)
o Weekday train 465 (5:06 p.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 464 (6:43 p.m. departure from Murray Hill)
* Montclair-Boonton Line train 1000 would be extended to start in Hackettstown as train 1070 (replacing the Hackettstown and Mount Olive stops on 870).
* Approximately 1000 customers impacted.

North Jersey Coast Line

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 2306 (6:41 a.m. departure from Bay Head)
o Weekday train 2309 (5:10 p.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 3517 (7:42 p.m. departure from New York)
o Weekday train 3518 (9:13 p.m. departure from South Amboy)
* Approximately 1000 customers impacted.

Montclair-Boonton Line

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 1024 (10:21 a.m. departure from Hackettstown)
o Weekday train 1025 (12:18 p.m. departure from Montclair State University)
o Weekday train 1028 (1:44 p.m. departure from Mount Olive)
o Weekday train 1029 (3:15 p.m. departure from Montclair State University)
o Weekday train 247 (2:27 p.m. departure from Hoboken)
o Weekday train 244 (3:37 p.m. departure from Montclair State University)
* Trains 247 and 1029 would be replaced with a new train (#1001).
* Train 1000 would be extended to start in Hackettstown as train 1070 (replacing Hackettstown and Mount Olive stops from Morris & Essex Lines train 870).
* Approximately 150 customers impacted.

Raritan Valley Line

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 5724 (7:19 a.m. departure from High Bridge)
o Weekday train 5903 (4:55 p.m. departure from Newark Penn)
* Approximately 900 customers impacted.

Northeast Corridor

* The following trains would be discontinued:
o Weekday train 3916 (6:18 a.m. departure from Trenton)
o Weekday train 3171 (5:41 p.m. departure from New York)
o Weekday train 3933 (10:01 a.m. departure from New York)
o Weekday train 3868 (5:28 p.m. departure from Trenton)
o Weekday train 3801 (12:43 a.m. departure from New York)
* Approximately 2700 customers impacted.

I am pretty sure it is 100% committed....as per funds appropriated and dispensed already...just clarifying though, since these are tough times...can you confirm it is 100% committed-to Andover of course?

northjerseybuff wrote:I am pretty sure it is 100% committed....as per funds appropriated and dispensed already...just clarifying though, since these are tough times...can you confirm it is 100% committed-to Andover of course?

Not at the time for certain, but I believe it is.

Wow, quite a eye opener!
Although I kind of agree that cutting the midday Montclair-Boonton line trains makes sense in this economic climate as nobody seems to ride those, however cutting train #870 and #813 are going to hurt!

blockline4180 wrote:Wow, quite a eye opener!
Although I kind of agree that cutting the midday Montclair-Boonton line trains makes sense in this economic climate as nobody seems to ride those, however cutting train #870 and #813 are going to hurt!

People do use these trains, I can understand cutting one of them, but not both.

I still do not understand how PVL 1651/1652 (10:20 HOB/NBL, 11:21 NBL/HOB) survive. Nobody uses these trains, 1652 has another train following 22 minutes behind it.

I'm really worried now that with higher prices and less service, that a significant number of people will stop using transit.

I'm worried too. I hope the anti-repetition and redundancy squad won't be mad at me for repeating and saying again something I put in another thread:
If public transit rides are subsidized money losers, and gasoline tax revenue is a money gainer, then the treasury is better off reducing public transit so those former riders buy gas.

As a railfan, and looking at the big picture, I don't support support such penny wise-pound foolish thinking, but there are some people who do.

No doubt there will be a shift back to cars for many of these riders as the transit option is not going to be there. That is not a good thing, short or long term.

Does anyone know how savings are calculated by cutting these trains? For example, are crews cut thereby saving labor, do they calculate depreciation, which is a soft cost, or something tangible like fuel? Either way, NJT is missing the boat here. The entier system needs to be examined and redeployed to give the most service from the available dollars. Across the board cuts like this are generally not sucessful.

Great, more traffic on the roads. Just what we need.

Great, more traffic on the roads. Just what we need.

It is a fact that since the recession started, traffic volume on all roads is down substantially. This will likely change or at least slow that decline, but I doubt it will have a huge impact on overall traffic.

A 25 % increase on light rail, busses, trains, weekly and monthly passes, seniors, children and disabled. SEPTA will get more of my ridding miles, and NJT less. Less riders will mean a bigger loss, which will bring another increase quicker.

Those cuts I can understand--most of them, but those fares are absolutely retarded. $1.70 for a 1-zone fare? No RT off peak discounts?

MetucheNscale wrote:A 25 % increase on light rail, busses, trains, weekly and monthly passes, seniors, children and disabled. SEPTA will get more of my ridding miles, and NJT less. Less riders will mean a bigger loss, which will bring another increase quicker.

Good for you. Prepare for another SEPTA strike in the fall.