Erie-Lackawanna wrote:Forget it. The railroad tried and the local community stopped it. While the proposal was for a full-time station, it didn't fly then, and it probably won't fly now.
I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck... but in regards to the Black Rock project on the New Haven Line, it was stated that the station had a good chance of being built because it would be paid for 100% by the property developer, at no cost to the State of Connecticut. In fact, in that thread, you happened to say it best. (I'm not trying to put your own words against you -- it just happened to be the most concise answer in the thread.)
Erie-Lackawanna in http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=317524#p317524 wrote:The proposal is, as Dutch said, part of a private developer's plans to build a new "community" adjacent to the old Georgetown station site. The station would be built by the developer (a la Merritt 7), at (ostensibly) no cost to the State of CT. And as ghastly as the idea seems, it has legs - strong ones - and it will probably be done.
Now, if Woodbury Commons were to pay for the construction of its own station, along with any additional costs demanded by MNR (operational costs for added time to schedules, diesel for stopping and restarting, etc.) why not? The locals may not want a full-time station -- and the mall may not either, since it would essentially turn the mall into a park-and-ride lot. But weekend-only service at the times suggested earlier by TDowling (2 outbound stops in the morning, 2 inbound stops in the late afternoon) would
effectively prevent the station from being used by anyone other than shoppers, and it wouldn't cause any major problems for the schedule. The turnaround time for these trains in Port Jervis is hours, not minutes.
With that said, I am going to guess Woodbury Outlets simply can't justify the cost of building a train station only to receive less than 2 trainloads of shoppers (assuming neither train is filled to capacity exclusively with shoppers) on just two days of the week.
Also worth considering: Metro-North already has a pretty detailed "MNR for Dummies" page ( http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/mnr/html/getaw ... ommons.htm
) that explains which trains stop at Harriman, and how you can get a taxi or a public bus between the station and the mall. I would think, if this particular bus was packed to the gills all the time, the idea of a second station would already be in the works. But considering the bus only meets ONE train in each direction on the weekends, Woodbury would probably be more likely to pay "Main Line" to run more buses before they plunk down the cash for a whole train station.
Long story short: even more reasons why this probably will never happen. But in the unlikely event Woodbury Commons gets crazy enough to open up the checkbook and cover all the costs... money has a way of making the impossible possible.
If they pay for it all, nobody else can sue MTA for their own stations. But then MTA would be more pressured into accepting ANY new station from any other railside property owner who's willing to pay. So no matter who pays, it's still a slippery slope. At least with the Black Rock thing, it's the State of Connecticut's problem, not the MTA.