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  by wolfboy8171981
 
starting 3-3-13 , Loaded Oil trains destined for Eagles Point will be 64W/65W "W" for Westfield. Oil trains for Delaware City will become 64R/65R "R" for Reybold.
  by Ken W2KB
 
blockline4180 wrote:
wolfboy8171981 wrote:
Just wait until the Crude Oil trains make North Jersey its port of call.
Wolf,

Is there any way you can elaborate on this?? Do you have any inside information or some sort of timetable when the oil train may start running into Linden, Perth Amboy or wherever else they are destined to go??

Also how many oil trains a day on the Lehigh line can you foresee in the future??

Thanks!
Steve
"Phillips 66 (PSX) signed a five-year deal with Global Partners, which will rail in about 50,000 barrels of Bakken crude each day into Phillips 66’s refinery in Bayway, N.J. " http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... east-coast

However, another article from a different publication, dated March 2nd, which is behind a proprietary site's password states the rail contract is with Canadian Pacific. Another article at that site states that CP Rail will deliver the crude to Global's Albany, NY terminal. A third article states that Global will transload at Albany to barge. A fourth states that Phillips may ultimately increase bakken receipts at Linden to 100,000 bbls per day.
  by wolfboy8171981
 
Phillips had already been using barges from Albany for some crude oil service prior to those announcments. I am hearing that something will be built for/by Phillips 66 off the Linden Branch. I was told that Phillips has purchased/leased 2,000 railcars for Crude oil service.
  by Ken W2KB
 
wolfboy8171981 wrote:Phillips had already been using barges from Albany for some crude oil service prior to those announcments. I am hearing that something will be built for/by Phillips 66 off the Linden Branch. I was told that Phillips has purchased/leased 2,000 railcars for Crude oil service.
I was wondering if the second 50,000 BBls would be by rail. That would make sense in case of an interruption in one or the other. Split between the rail/water route and the all rail route for diversity making it less likely to lose the entire 100,000 BBL supply from a single contingency. That would make a lot of sense for such a large refinery.
  by RailsEast
 
Now THAT's a lashup, great shot Bob. Thanks to you & Johnny D for the updates & pics....

On a seperate note, does ice in the Hudson play into the transportation scenario in the winter? Granted, no two winter seasons are ever the same, but Ken brought up a good point about a service interruption.
Just curious....
Chris
  by wolfboy8171981
 
Meghan wrote:
wolfboy8171981 wrote:I have no problem with CSX's claim.

However its misleading.

Just wait until the Crude Oil trains make North Jersey its port of call.
Vince,

Could you elaborate on how the claim is misleading?
I know that there's quite a bit of wiggle room in the numbers and its like the the car ads 'Your mileage may vary.' but I'm curious if you think there is something very wrong with them.

:-) Meghan
When was the last time you saw a train that was only one (1) ton. When you take one ton and mutiply it by 7000, those numbers change slightly. Now the average train is using 7000 gals to go 500 miles. Same ratio, just more realistic.
  by pumpers
 
Ken W2KB wrote:
michaelk wrote:
pumpers wrote:
pumpers wrote:.... In terms of $$$, 60,000 gallons x $4.00/gallon for diesel (maybe too high for bulk?) is $240,000 to move the 100 tanks! ...?
I'd GUESS that they dont pay "retail" prices for fuel. Airlines for example buy contracts to keep prices steady (But i guess they use tons more fuel)- Delta even bought a share of a refinery in Philly to get steady fuel costs. On a MUCH smaller size- even homeowners can "lock in" prices for home heating fuel for the eyar. Also I think something like 50 cents a gallon of diesel fuel at a truck stop is highway taxes...

That said- I dont think it's like they pay 40 cents - maybe $3 so you'd be in the ball park and it's well over $100k even if it's 25% cheaper.

Makes me wonder what it costs to ship a tanker from the middle east to the ports here.
That and railroads don't pay the motor vehicle taxes like trucks and autos do so the cost is reduced.
I saw an article today (on locomotives powered by liquified natural gas) that said last year the average price for a gallon of diesel paid by Union Pacific was $3.22.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-0 ... cmpid=yhoo
JS
  by Ken W2KB
 
pumpers wrote:
Ken W2KB wrote:
michaelk wrote:
pumpers wrote:
pumpers wrote:.... In terms of $$$, 60,000 gallons x $4.00/gallon for diesel (maybe too high for bulk?) is $240,000 to move the 100 tanks! ...?
I'd GUESS that they dont pay "retail" prices for fuel. Airlines for example buy contracts to keep prices steady (But i guess they use tons more fuel)- Delta even bought a share of a refinery in Philly to get steady fuel costs. On a MUCH smaller size- even homeowners can "lock in" prices for home heating fuel for the eyar. Also I think something like 50 cents a gallon of diesel fuel at a truck stop is highway taxes...

That said- I dont think it's like they pay 40 cents - maybe $3 so you'd be in the ball park and it's well over $100k even if it's 25% cheaper.

Makes me wonder what it costs to ship a tanker from the middle east to the ports here.
That and railroads don't pay the motor vehicle taxes like trucks and autos do so the cost is reduced.
I saw an article today (on locomotives powered by liquified natural gas) that said last year the average price for a gallon of diesel paid by Union Pacific was $3.22.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-0 ... cmpid=yhoo
JS
Interesting article, here's some details of the liquefied natural gas "tender" car and proposed mode of operation. http://www.energyconversions.com/tender.htm

There are a number of LNG import terminals in the USA that have proposed construction of liquefaction trains to be able to export liquefied natural gas. If these are built it would be a source for rail use providing that rail service is practicable at the location of the terminal. In New Jersey, the PSE&G Burlington LNG storage facility is adjacent to a rail line. Its purpose is for peak shaving on the coldest days of some winters, and receives LNG deliveries by truck even though next to a rail line. May not have enough capacity to fill rail cars were a spur into the plant to be constructed, without jeopardizing its primary purpose. Williams-Transco has a similar, much larger facility in Carlstadt but the wetlands would be problematic to extend a rail spur to it. Were a liquefaction plant built in New Jersey, it would provide yet another source of outbound cars, in addition to the potential of serving locomotive fuel needs if this proposal does pan out.
  by johnnyloco
 
Today's 64W, 3/13/2013, arrived in southern NJ at 10:10 this morning with NS 2576, BNSF 6140, BNSF 8957, and BNSF executive 9587.
Seen here at CP HATCH-
http://www.trainphotos.com/PhotoDetails ... otoID=7568

http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3408706

trailing BNSF units-
6140-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3408709

8957-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3408710

9587-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3408707

John D.
  by kilroy
 
Article in today's Star Ledger about the surge in rail shipments by rail. I can't find the article on-line though.
  by johnnyloco
 
More BNSF power came in on 64W yesterday, this time with an ex-Santa Fe warbonnet. It also was reported to have NS 7564, which had a problem and was removed at Stowe Yard.
3/20/2013
Conrail's CA05 crew had pulled cars from Bulson Street before retrieving empties from Sunoco and is seen here at 12th Street approaching Pavonia Yard-

CA05 at 12th Street and the 1S signal-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417163

On approach to Pavonia-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417162

BNSF 4706 warbonnet-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417164

Buffer car and NS hi-hoods on the rear-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417165

NS 5219 & 5224-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417166

John D.
  by bluedash2
 
johnnyloco wrote:More BNSF power came in on 64W yesterday, this time with an ex-Santa Fe warbonnet. It also was reported to have NS 7564, which had a problem and was removed at Stowe Yard.
3/20/2013
Conrail's CA05 crew had pulled cars from Bulson Street before retrieving empties from Sunoco and is seen here at 12th Street approaching Pavonia Yard-

CA05 at 12th Street and the 1S signal-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417163

On approach to Pavonia-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417162

BNSF 4706 warbonnet-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417164

Buffer car and NS hi-hoods on the rear-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417165

NS 5219 & 5224-
http://manatree.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3417166

John D.
Nice shots. I didn't have time to stop to catch them today. But at least I got the fakebonnet yesterday!
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