• Train 58 derailed in Mississippi - April 6, 2004

  • Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.
Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by DutchRailnut
 
Initial NTSB findings: engineer saw track defect.


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NTSB ADVISORY
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National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594

April 8, 2004

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Update
NTSB'S ON-SCENE INVESTIGATION
OF MISSISSIPPI AMTRAK DERAILMENT

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Washington, D.C. -- The following is an update of the NTSB's
on-scene investigation into Tuesday's Amtrak derailment near
Yazoo City, Mississippi. The City of New Orleans derailed
about 6:33 p.m., Tuesday, April 6. As of this morning,
there was one fatality as a result of the accident. Below
is a summary of the investigative groups' reports from the
scene.

Mechanical

Upon arriving at the scene, inspection of the site and
documentation of the equipment began. The mechanical group
also began gathering historical information on the train and
requested information on recent maintenance and repairs.

Recorders

According to preliminary information from the event
recorder, which was downloaded at the scene, the City of New
Orleans left at Jackson 6:03 p.m. (there were 61 passengers
and 12 crewmembers on board). At 6:33:28, the train was
traveling at 78 mph. At 6:33:38, the train brakes went into
emergency and at 6:33:48, the train came to a complete stop.


Survival Factors

Investigators began examining the interior and exterior of
the cars. Three of the derailed cars were up-righted and
examined for survival factors documentation. Interviews
with passengers began today.

Operations

The operations group gathered Amtrak's operating rulebooks
and train orders. In an interview with the engineer today,
he reported that when the train was traveling down track, he
noticed what appeared to be a misalignment in the track and
began the first phase of braking. Additionally, he stated,
a few seconds later the right rail appeared to roll away and
he immediately put the train in emergency braking.
Preliminary review of the event recorder information
corresponds with the train handling actions described by the
engineer in his statement. Interviews with the conductor
and crew are also scheduled for today.


Human Performance

The Safety Board is reviewing the personnel records and
employment history of the crew. The Human Performance Group
will also review the work/rest cycle of the crew.
Toxicology tests were conducted, as normally required
following an accident, and results of any physical
examinations will be reviewed.



NTSB Media Contact: Lauren Peduzzi (in Mississippi for
the Yazoo City rail accident. Media inquiries thru April 8,
2004) (202) 368-7820

Terry Williams (in Washington) (202) 314-6100

  by queenlnr8
 
Dutch- Thanks for the report. The rail rolled away from the front of the train? Wow. I guess that's why there was rail missing in the pictures that I saw of the scene.

  by Rail4Life
 
Souds Like Crescent City, FL and Silver Spring, MD all over again.

  by JJJeffries
 
What happened in Crescent City and Silver Spring?

  by transit383
 
queenlnr8 wrote:
hsr_fan wrote:Someone photographed this train hours before the derailment...
Now that's somewhat scary.
These photos of the train can be viewed here:

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos. ... 6611,56762
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Crescent City refers to the April 18, 2002 derailment incident of #52 NB Auto Train which occurred there. Silver Spring refers to a February 16, 1996 incident involving #29 WB Caoitol Limited and a MARC Commuter train.

Possibly you have the later incident of July 29, 2002 also involving #29 in mind; that incident is known as Kensington.

Railroad incidents customarily are referred to by the municipality's name closest to the occurrence.
  by R142A
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote:Silver Spring refers to a February 16, 1996 incident involving #29 WB Caoitol Limited and a MARC Commuter train.
That was a scary one! I believe no one on the Amtrak Train was hurt, but the MARC train had plenty of casualties. There was something on TV about this - a one hour long documentary, I think on MSNBC.
  by queenlnr8
 
R142A wrote:That was a scary one! I believe no one on the Amtrak Train was hurt, but the MARC train had plenty of casualties. There was something on TV about this - a one hour long documentary, I think on MSNBC.
Well, I know that two AEM7s were scrapped because of that incident, so those were on the head end of the Amtrak train.

Was the MARC train running in cab control (push pull)? In my mind, that would make it so there were more fatalities.
  by AEM7AC920
 
queenlnr8 wrote:
R142A wrote:That was a scary one! I believe no one on the Amtrak Train was hurt, but the MARC train had plenty of casualties. There was something on TV about this - a one hour long documentary, I think on MSNBC.
Well, I know that two AEM7s were scrapped because of that incident, so those were on the head end of the Amtrak train.

Was the MARC train running in cab control (push pull)? In my mind, that would make it so there were more fatalities.
I think your thinking about the chase accident with conrail. That is when the two AEM-7's were scrapped.
Last edited by AEM7AC920 on Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:23 am, edited 1 time in total.

  by queenlnr8
 
Ahhh. My mistake.
  by R142A
 
AEM7AC920 wrote:
queenlnr8 wrote:
R142A wrote:That was a scary one! I believe no one on the Amtrak Train was hurt, but the MARC train had plenty of casualties. There was something on TV about this - a one hour long documentary, I think on MSNBC.
Well, I know that two AEM7s were scrapped because of that incident, so those were on the head end of the Amtrak train.

Was the MARC train running in cab control (push pull)? In my mind, that would make it so there were more fatalities.
I think your thinking about the chase accident with conrail. That is went the two AEM-7's were scrapped.
Yep, the Silver Spring did not involve AEM-7's. I believe the Amtrak train was led by a P42 (or similar Genesis). The Amtrak Engineer, realizing that there was no way to avoid the accident, sped up his train so that it would begin over the interlocking and the MARC train would split the Amtrak train between the locomotive and the first car.

  by AEM7AC920
 
Here is a good link to that accident. It looks like there was two loco's P42

http://danger-ahead.railfan.net/acciden ... /home.html
  by cbaker
 
Both the Chase, MD and Kensington, MD derailments involved human error -- not infrastructure failure.

  by mattfels
 
No, this is incorrect. Kensington was indeed an infrastructure failure.

Read what NTSB wrote David Gunn on Aug. 15: "The Safety Board determined that the probable cause of the derailment was a heat-induced track buckle that developed because of inadequate CSX Transportation track-surfacing operations, including misalignment of the curve, insufficient track restraint, and failure to reestablish an appropriate neutral rail."
  by cbaker
 
Mr Fels,

This is what came out of the inquiry of the Kensington collision:
The Inquiry held by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) reported some 17 months after the accident. It found that the immediate cause was due to "apparent failure of the engineer and the traincrew, because of multiple distractions to operate MARC train 286 according to signal indications".
Sounds like human error to me....

The report in your link refers to the Auto Train derailment in Florida.