Syracuse-Rochester-Buffalo before TCS

Without any old railroad paper am unable to recall location of Interlocking Plants on the four track west of Syracuse Jct. Can still see in an old memory the westbound distant signals for North Port Byron were in the right hand curve just west of North Weedsport. Was North Port Byron the first plant west of Syracuse Jct or was it the second? The first being at Jordan? Seem to remember that the signals east of North Weedsport were on a straight line slight ascending grade and were the Advance (2nd rear) Signals to an Interlocking at Jordan. Is this correct?

Don't know how many of us old guys are still around that saw this first hand, maybe someone has an Employee TT that would answer the question.

I would imagine there was something at Belle Isle what with the West Shore yard being north of the 4-tracks along in there, I'm pretty sure that ceased to be a through route before the TCS conversion. Certainly through Port Byron the West Shore looks like it was gone before the Thruway was built.


Do the single story brick structures at various CPs and former CPs predate the TCS, or were they to house the original TCS equipment?

From the timetable dated September 28, 1947 the following, Mileage is
the same as it exists today, from Grand Central Terminal, New York,
followed by the designation of the Signal Station, the office call and the location as shown in the timetable if it is stated:
286.6 GS GS Clark Street
292.1 JG
287.9 48 WI Syracuse, Midler Avenue
289.8 1 AV Syracuse
293,4 2 OJ Syracuse Jct.
315.3 6 J Jordan
315.3 8 FY North Port Byron
335.8 15 NS Lyons
348.4 18 PY Palmyra
359.2 20 MS
363.8 22 P East Rochester (open first trick weekdays)
368.6 25 CV Rochester Yard
369.6 25A RA Rochester Yard
371.1 27 PK Rochester
373.0 29 HI Ames St. Jct.
373.4 30 RG B. & O. Jct.
382.7 33 DJ Chili Jct.
393.8 36 WB West Bergen
403.6 40 VN Batavia, Erie Crossing
403.8 40A BA Batavia, Walnut Street
414.2 42 CU Corfuk
431.1 46 ? (Signal Station)
431.4 (46) (46A West Shore Connection) Not attended
435.9 47 EB East Buffalo
436.6 48 ? Buffalo, east end
437.2 49 ? Buffalo, west end
438.2 49A ? Clinton St.
438.5 50 ? Seneca St.
? EX ? Erie RR Cross
438.8 SP ? Buffalo Yard, east end
439.2 FO ? Buffalo yard, west end
439.9 BC BC Buffalo Creek
443.2 D D Seneca
445.8 BV BV Bay View

Every one of the above interlocking stations (Signal Stations) were staffed
day and night except where I noted otherwise.

While I am at it, might as well do the West Shore too: Mileage is from
Weehawken (it still is on the active portion around Rochester):

280.9 2 OJ Syracuse Junction
295.3 6 J Jordan
303.2 PB Port Byron
316.9 CY South Clyde
322.1 ON Lyons Jct.
336.9 18 PY South Palmyra
347.2 20 MS (Signal Station)
360.0 RQ Mortimer
361.9 G Genessee Jct.
369.5 33 DJ (Signal Station)
392.0 OD Oakfield
404.4 AK Akron
423.7 T ? (Signal Station)
423.9 49 ? (Signal Station)

Note on the West Shore where there is no number, the operator was in
the station as there was no Signal Station at that particular location.
All of the above locations were manned around the clock every day.
Note, the West Shore at the time of the above timetable was single track
with ABS in one direction and MBS in the other direction. In other words
when they took up one track they still left the signals in on the remaining
track.

This is interesting but it was a fair amount of work, I hope it answers
your questions.
Noel Weaver

Thanks: it's odd what an old mind remembers and forgets. I was certain the signals on the bridge block east of Nort Weedsport were the advance signals for thje next "plant'. Couldn't remember though if it was Jordan or Warners, you answered this on both counts. There is a slight ascending grade going east to allow the railroad to get out of the Seneca River bottoms; after rounding the left hand curve at North Weedsport these signals became visible looking east up the long tangent. Can still see it in my mind but forgot about Jordan as a station name.