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  by DogBert
 
I think a lot less people would complain about the plan if there were to be zero tax payer dollars involved. The jets should team up with some other sports organization that could use the lcoation during non-sports season and just build it themselves.

As for a new penn station at MSG, as nice as that would be, dream on. If it doesn't make money it's not going to get built in manhattan.

  by Rush2ny
 
Here is an article from today's NY Post that illustrates how we the taxpayers are still paying for MSG 22 years after it's completion. Why would the new stadium be different?

Every time the owners of Madison Square Garden flip on the arena's lights or power up the scoreboard, they're digging their hands into New Yorkers' pockets to the tune of $1 million a year, The Post has learned.

Under a sweetheart deal approved by state lawmakers in 1982, every Con Edison customer in the city is hit with an annual surcharge — an average of 33 cents per customer this year — to subsidize Madison Square Garden's electric bill.

With more than 3 million Con Ed customers across the city, that 33-cent surcharge adds up to $90,000 a month, according to industry experts familiar with the Garden's energy hand-out.

The electricity bonanza was part of a deal worked out with state lawmakers 22 years ago that also exempted the arena from paying property taxes in exchange for keeping both the NBA Knicks and the NHL Rangers in New York City.

When the law was signed by then Gov. Hugh Carey, the Garden's former owners, Gulf & Western, were threatening to move the teams across the Hudson River to the newly built Continental Arena in New Jersey's Meadowlands.

Cablevision, the current owner of the Garden as well as the Knicks and the Rangers, has inherited all the breaks negotiated decades ago and long after any threat to move the teams to New Jersey faded away.

But the property-tax exemption, worth $11.7 million this year, remains on the city's books. Coupled with the electricity subsidy, Cablevision is lining its corporate pockets with nearly $13 million a year from city taxpayers and Con Ed customers.

A Garden spokesman refused to comment yesterday.

Mayor Bloomberg is fuming over Cablevision's funding of a multimillion-dollar ad campaign that has attacked Hizzoner's plan to contribute $600 million of city and state money toward construction of a West Side stadium for the Jets.



The high-stakes battle has pitted Bloomberg against Cablevision's top execs, the father-and-son team of Charles and James Dolan, who have pumped at least $8 million into the ad campaign accusing the city of wasting money on a stadium.

Bloomberg has lashed back, challenging the Dolans to give up their property-tax break at the Garden if they care so much about the city.

"When these guys suggest that we shouldn't be spending public monies, well, [if] the public monies would bring a lot more to this city, why don't they give up theirs?" Bloomberg said recently.

The law granting the tax abatement and the energy subsidy was intended to last only for 10 years, but it was written so that it would take state legislation to undo it.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
The Times has published letters arising from the Editorial; obviously to some "the only way to the game' is the SUV:
  • Briarcliff Manor, NY:

    There's another reason to oppose a behemoth stadium for the Jets on Manhattan's far West Side: traffic.

    What will happen to already migraine-producing traffic in Manhattan if the stadium comes into being? Does anyone feel that the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and the George Washington Bridge are currently underused?

    What about traffic coming from Brooklyn, Queens and Long Island? The effects of increased traffic, regardless of what river-crossing bridge or tunnel is used, would spill into countless neighborhoods.

    Around the country, stadiums tend to be built away from central cities for all sorts of reasons, traffic among them. Given the size of the New York metro area and the expected traffic for a stadium in the middle of Manhattan, you have a prescription for a nightmare
This is one letter from a group of five; therefoire pasting this one letter in its entirety constitutes a "brief passage"

Whatever happened to the LIRR's one time slogan attached to major overpasses "Up here carefree riding, Down there worried driving'.

  by LI Loco
 
Jet fans aren't necessarily enthused about the potential move. One of the reasons is that they will be forced to take public transportation because of the limited parking that will be available.

I commute with a Jet season ticket holder, and he would prefer to continue driving to the Meadowlands, even though he would save a fortune in parking, tolls and gas by using ihs monthly pass. Why? Because part of the gestalt of going to football games is the tailgate party. The regulars arrive early, pig out and booze it up. By the time the game begins, half of them are so tanked they couldn't care who wins or loses.
:-)
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Allow this Daily home delivery subscriber @ $600/yr the liberty to paste one more letter that supports Mr. Loco's thoughts.
  • New York Jets football fans see a glaring weakness in the plans for a new Jets stadium in Manhattan. If it is constructed, there will be no room around the stadium for tailgates at games. None.

    As Knicks and Rangers fans do at their games, Jets fans who drive to the new stadium will probably have to park at underground or tower parking garages.

    There will be no stadium parking lots where people can meet up with their friends to barbecue, toss the football around, and watch or listen to other games from around the National Football League.

    I believe that most fans in New York, like their counterparts in other cities, will tell you that the tailgate is an essential element of their game-day experience
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Apparently, "tailgating' is even a 'thing" in New York at NFL games. Incidentally the term got going when even during the "forties and fifties', it was done at such temples of "powerhouse football' as the Yale Bowl. I can recall enough occasions bing loaded into the '48, '53, or '57 Pontiac wagon, having its tailgate opened, and being told by the "grownups' to be "neither seen nor heard, but don't run off'