Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by MACTRAXX
 
Everyone: This is good to see-more SLE service to New London...

I will second the thought about a future meeting point at Westerly or perhaps Wickford Junction
as a transfer point between CT's SLE and RIDOT/MBTA Commuter Rail Service...

I do agree with the thought that if you provide the service,the passengers will use it...

MACTRAXX
  by runningwithscalpels
 
Would be nice if they could implement this at the beginning of April - of course that is completely self-serving. I have something I need to go to in New London on the 6th, and I'd rather take the train down than drive. Obviously via MNRR and Amtrak it's doable, but I would rather have the cheaper SLE fare!
  by ebtmikado
 
I am wholly supportive of extending SLE service to New London, but that 18 mile stretch from Old Saybrook to New London with no other stops, makes it so impractical.
Parking in New London is difficult (the garage is a bit of a distance away). Connection to all 3 ferries is convenient.
There should be at least 3 other stops: Old Lyme, Rocky Neck State Park (the train is right next to the beach), East Lyme & Niantic. Quite probably, a stop should be made in Waterford.

Of course, where will the many millions of dollars for stations come from? Most of the Shore Line East stations have platforms on only one side, severely restricting the service.

Lee Carlson
  by fl9m2004
 
I'm in favor of Shore Line East to New London on weekends
Maybe Amtrak should tell New London passengers to get on Shore Line East
Then ridership for weekends to New London will go great
Speaking of Shore Line East any gp's recently in service
Seen 6694 recently
  by NH2060
 
ebtmikado wrote:I am wholly supportive of extending SLE service to New London, but that 18 mile stretch from Old Saybrook to New London with no other stops, makes it so impractical.
Parking in New London is difficult (the garage is a bit of a distance away). Connection to all 3 ferries is convenient.
There should be at least 3 other stops: Old Lyme, Rocky Neck State Park (the train is right next to the beach), East Lyme & Niantic. Quite probably, a stop should be made in Waterford.

Of course, where will the many millions of dollars for stations come from? Most of the Shore Line East stations have platforms on only one side, severely restricting the service.

Lee Carlson
I believe a South Lyme station is in the planning stages, though there hasn't been any news on it in awhile. A station at Niantic near the center of town is a no-brainer and can/should be done without a parking lot given the easy accessibility to the town (and the beach as you pointed out) by foot from the tracks as well as the already dense amount of car traffic in that area during the summer.

I'm afraid it will take a VERY rail pro-active/loving governor for any of this to see the light of day, given how much money is already being spent on that waste of a busway. And as I understand it you used to be a member of the commuter council so you must no doubt feel extremely frustrated when it comes to SLE getting shortchanged. The shortsightedness of this state can be infuriating.
  by NH2060
 
fl9m2004 wrote:I'm in favor of Shore Line East to New London on weekends
Maybe Amtrak should tell New London passengers to get on Shore Line East
Then ridership for weekends to New London will go great
Speaking of Shore Line East any gp's recently in service
Seen 6694 recently
Considering the difference in ticket prices I don't think Amtrak will have to say a word :-P If anything the cost of Amtrak to OSB and NHV (plus the reservation requirement) keeps potential commuters/day trippers away from Amtrak for local travel.

As for the GPs I hear they've been making the rounds from time to time. When or if they'll ever get that major rebuild the DOT proposed how many months ago will no doubt determine their future in the long term. And even if they do get fixed up by that time they will have been transferred to the Springfield line once SLE (at least to OSB unless the platform issue at NLC can be resolved) gets M-8s.
  by fl9m2004
 
When I saw 6694
He was pushing on 1640
1644 had 838 both had 4 cars
6694 was revving up while passing me
Sorry no video but looked really clean
  by NH2060
 
Well no New London weekend service (yet), but the new timetable has a number of new weekday and weekend trains added (including a New London mid-day round trip).
http://www.shorelineeast.com/pdf/5-18-13.pdf
As for New London weekend service, as of now the DEP still has to OK it (as mentioned in the article below). We'll see what happens.
http://www.theday.com/article/20130517/ ... 19677/1018
  by CTRailfan
 
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:
ThirdRail7 wrote:
DutchRailnut wrote:hope the ridership is there, on days other than special events,but my hopes are not high for this service.
People didn't think weekend service to OSB would catch on, but it did. The real goal should be Mystic. There are a lot of hurdles, but I think that would be a worthwhile venture.
I don't think there are any crossovers between the Groton Industrial Track and Westerly, so without a new one installed Amtrak's not going to be enthused about the schedule penalty of turning back wrong-rail at Mystic. Besides, if RIDOT gets South County commuter rail down to Westerly CDOT has put in the State Rail Plan that it wants to take SLE there for a direct transfer. Amtrak is due to renovate that station into a 3-tracker in anticipation of RIDOT stopping there, and there's a layover yard attached to it that makes an ideal turnback. RIDOT's proceeding fairly deliberately with its buildout. I don't think we'll be waiting past 2020 for the opportunity. The capital costs would be very little for CDOT because Mystic is pre-existing and Westerly + layover will be paid for by RIDOT and Amtrak. It's more or less an operating extension for CDOT, not a capital one...and RIDOT very much wants to entice them over for the beneficial transfer revenue, so the stakeholders are all willing.
All the current weekend service is a waste. OSB doesn't have enough trains there to make it make any sense. The need 30 minute headway, otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They need to get SLE bidirectional and electrified before they talk about service expansion. And the current service to NLD is a complete waste. When they have bi-directional electrified operation and intermediate stations, it will make sense. The MBTA should also electrify the Boston-Providence route, but that's a whole different story, and a little more complicated than the SLE, which only has a couple of sidings that don't currently have wires.

Your point about the crossovers is extremely salient though. The New Haven Shoreline is extremely lacking in crossovers, especially given how it's double tracked, and sometimes one track is out of order. They need to put a whole bunch of crossovers and sidings in to support a higher traffic density between commuter trains and Amtrak Regional and Acela. Mystic also makes sense when you have a yard/sidings in Westerly and bi-directional service. The railroad is uniquely well suited to serve a number of local vacation areas in CT like Niantic and Mystic.
  by amtrakhogger
 
NH2060 wrote:Well no New London weekend service (yet), but the new timetable has a number of new weekday and weekend trains added (including a New London mid-day round trip).
http://www.shorelineeast.com/pdf/5-18-13.pdf
As for New London weekend service, as of now the DEP still has to OK it (as mentioned in the article below). We'll see what happens.
http://www.theday.com/article/20130517/ ... 19677/1018
If they go with weekend service, that means more work for the New Haven extra list (spare board) and some ca$h!
  by theozno
 
ThirdRail7 wrote:
DutchRailnut wrote:hope the ridership is there, on days other than special events,but my hopes are not high for this service.
Working in a welcome center, I am in hopes for a commuter train to Mystic. Have a CT transit bus connection to the casinos as well. Hopefully, the M8's will go from Grand Central to Mystic. IMHO this will probably also allow for super expresses from Stamford to New Haven then local to Mystic. this will attract many and help the states tourism. If CTDOT under Amtrak operation, were to continue to Westerly maybe it could connect with future MBTA trains that now continue to wickford junction.

People didn't think weekend service to OSB would catch on, but it did. The real goal should be Mystic. There are a lot of hurdles, but I think that would be a worthwhile venture.
  by NH2060
 
A couple more bits of info:

Looks like there'll be a formal ceremony of some sort this month to officially welcome the new service.
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And some discrepancy remains on New London's end on whether the trains will or will not run past the end of the summer (even though they haven't been officially promoted as "seasonal").
http://www.theday.com/article/20130601/ ... 19971/1018" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting side note: New London not only has weekend non-Amtrak commuter/local service for the first time in over 40 years, but also more round trips on weekends than on weekdays. Not a bad way to overcompensate the prior lack of service ;-)