Rhodesia, Bulawayo, Garretts

With music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEAfw7 ... 29oGGOFxzc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder how the trains are actually doing in Zimbabwe. Mugabe is such an incompetent ruler that I am sure they have greatly deteriorated.

Rhodesia in photographs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4eo6V_9-k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

philipmartin wrote:Rhodesia in photographs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4eo6V_9-k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rhodesia was the name of a settlers colony. It no longer exists and has been replaced by Zimbabwe. (I have visited it several times before the name changed.)

philipmartin wrote:Rhodesia in photographs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4eo6V_9-k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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This is photos that we have found of various websites several years ago. Thanks to all those unknown people who collected them so we could show them to all friends of Rhodesia. Thanks also to all unknown people who owns some of the photos. We have not been able to thank you since we do not know where in the world you are these days.

Once there was a great nation called Rhodesia.

It proved that a few thousand men and women of good quality can create a civilisation. Rhodesia was great, but forced to die when USA and Britain decided to kill it.

Unfortunately it also showed that a few stupid politicians and governments can destroy a civilized nation.

Thanks for the music: John Edmond
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I would say it can be correct to refer to Rhodesia in a historical sense referring to pre-1980, but as far as I can see this video is post-1980 so Zimbabwe would be the correct term.

Phillip, the piece you have quoted in response to George bears little resemblance to reality, I'm afraid, although it is a view still being pushed by a handful of old white Rhodesians/Zimbabweans. I know a few personally.

johnthefireman wrote:
Phillip, the piece you have quoted in response to George bears little resemblance to reality, I'm afraid, although it is a view still being pushed by a handful of old white Rhodesians/Zimbabweans. I know a few personally.

There are youtube videos of the plight of white farmers, and all farmers in Zimbabwe, who can't get title to their farmland, and therefore don't cultivate it as they would their own.

No, I'm not denying the parlous state of the nation at the moment. That's well-documented. I'm referring to the rose-tinted spectacles used by the old white Rhodesians when they look back at Rhodesia as it used to be during their time.

johnthefireman wrote:No, I'm not denying the parlous state of the nation at the moment. That's well-documented. I'm referring to the rose-tinted spectacles used by the old white Rhodesians when they look back at Rhodesia as it used to be during their time.

I can't argue with you about that John. You are there, I'm not.

philipmartin wrote:

johnthefireman wrote:No, I'm not denying the parlous state of the nation at the moment. That's well-documented. I'm referring to the rose-tinted spectacles used by the old white Rhodesians when they look back at Rhodesia as it used to be during their time.

I can't argue with you about that John. You are there, I'm not.

When I was working in Botswana as a teacher I used to go up to Rhodesia (on the train, then run by Rhodesia Railways). It was possible to find certain books not easily found in Botswana. I did travel to various parts of the country - mostly by train but also by bus. I have visited various projects there and also the Zimbabwe historical site where the ruins are.

That's great. There's a certain amount of information about the Great Zimbabwe Ruins on the internet. Here's a link to one source. http://www.greatzimbabweruins.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When I was young (<10), i recall my Uncle & Aunty coming back to NZ , from working and living in Rhodesia. It was my first experience of someone coming back from a foreign land. They had a lot of African souvenirs we found fascinating . I remember my Uncle commenting he thought Africans were absolute gentlemen, I think it is often lost in history of this sort of event, that people got on pretty well before the "bustup", whilst of course the underlying problems were always there, waiting to erupt.
Of course, the talk was all about the ship they went on , not trains .

In South Africa I found quite a bit of "crossover" between those interested in trains and ships. Was it the Union Castle Line that was big in that part of the world in those days?

johnthefireman wrote: Was it the Union Castle Line that was big in that part of the world in those days?

Here's a link to a history of the Union Caste Line. http://maritimematters.com/2010/02/union-castle-line/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

philipmartin wrote:

johnthefireman wrote: Was it the Union Castle Line that was big in that part of the world in those days?

Here's a link to a history of the Union Caste Line. http://maritimematters.com/2010/02/union-castle-line/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I travelled by Union Castle from London to Mombasa in 1965. The service didn't last much longer.