by nk07083
What pool/foreign power would one see here in the East on the EL during the period from 1960 to 1975?? Any and all info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ed B.
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Pool/Foreign Power on the EL
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by henry6
GREAT NORTHERN, BURLINGTON, SANTE FE, SP&S, SOUTHERN PACIFIC, B&O, PRR, PC, NYC, NORTHERN PACIFIC, UNION PACIFIC, BOSTON & MAINE, MAINE CENTRAL, DELEWARE AND HUDSON. AND THOSE ARE ONLY THE ONE'S I REMEBER SEEING!
by Matt Langworthy
LV also ran on EL. They had trackage rights on Erie/EL betwwen Waverly and Elmira to service an isolated remnant of EC&N. I saw this run as a child- usually powered by an RS2/3 but on at least one occasion an SW switcher was used. Furthermore, LV ran on EL between Owego and Binghamton to interchange with D&H.
Finally, LV and EL had agreements to use each other's tracks if one of them had their mainline fouled by a derailment or flooding.
I saw CNJ power west of Scanton, although it was rare.
Finally, LV and EL had agreements to use each other's tracks if one of them had their mainline fouled by a derailment or flooding.
I saw CNJ power west of Scanton, although it was rare.
Last edited by Matt Langworthy on Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Matt Langworthy
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by johnpbarlow
Re: N&W presence due to Dereco (EL+D&H operator from 1968 to 1972), you are likely correct. I have a handful of photos of N&W GPs and Us taken in 1969. I don't recall seeing a lot of N&W locomotives but I do remember that it was commonplace to see D&H engines on EL freights and vice versa. My understanding was that N&W operated Dereco at arm's length such that if the EL+D&H ship sank, N&W wouldn't be dragged under, as well.
by Matt Langworthy
That was the exact reasoning of Jack Fishwick. As the N&W official assigned to Dereco's office in Cleveland (i.e. EL HQ), he was deeply worried about EL's debt.
N&W ran some through freights in conjunction with EL under Dereco, basically to give EL a St. Louis connection and to bypass the Chicago bottleneck. I'm pretty sure those trains continued after the end of Dereco because I did see a few N&W engines on EL circa 1975.
As a consequence of Dereco, most SD45s and a few of the six-axle U-boats on EL were delivered with dual control stands so they could run long-hood forward.
N&W ran some through freights in conjunction with EL under Dereco, basically to give EL a St. Louis connection and to bypass the Chicago bottleneck. I'm pretty sure those trains continued after the end of Dereco because I did see a few N&W engines on EL circa 1975.
As a consequence of Dereco, most SD45s and a few of the six-axle U-boats on EL were delivered with dual control stands so they could run long-hood forward.
Matt Langworthy
"It is highly likely that the 1990s were an overrated decade."
"It is highly likely that the 1990s were an overrated decade."
by Matt Langworthy
LV could also be found on EL at Niagara Falls and Buffalo, because they co-owned Buffalo Creek RR and (along with NYC/PC) Niagara Jct RR.
Matt Langworthy
"It is highly likely that the 1990s were an overrated decade."
"It is highly likely that the 1990s were an overrated decade."
by henry6
I overlooked NKP! Not just in and around Buffalo but also via LV connections and EL interchange.
by Matt Langworthy
Although the distance was short (1 mile or so), Bath & Hammondsport RR ran on Erie/EL rails at Bath to reach the small interchange yard. That lasted from the time B&H was converted to standard gauge in 1888 or '89 until CR moved the interchange point to Blessing (near Savona) in the late '90s.
Didn't some of the Canadian roads like TH&B or GTW use Erie/EL rails in Niagara Falls for interchange?
Didn't some of the Canadian roads like TH&B or GTW use Erie/EL rails in Niagara Falls for interchange?
Matt Langworthy
"It is highly likely that the 1990s were an overrated decade."
"It is highly likely that the 1990s were an overrated decade."