by Silverliner5
Imagine if septa one day converted the wires on the subway surface lines to support pantographs. Will septa one day do a fan trip where suburban trollies can run together in a fan trip with PCC III and city LRV?
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Silverliner5 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:16 pm Imagine if septa one day converted the wires on the subway surface lines to support pantographs. Will septa one day do a fan trip where suburban trollies can run together in a fan trip with PCC III and city LRV?But the problem is that the suburban LRVs are 9' wide and I think it would not fit in the tunnel.
BuddCar711 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:50 pmThat is true but they could do fan trips without going into the tunnel but i hope some day the 23 and 56 or any abandon lines come backSilverliner5 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:16 pm Imagine if septa one day converted the wires on the subway surface lines to support pantographs. Will septa one day do a fan trip where suburban trollies can run together in a fan trip with PCC III and city LRV?But the problem is that the suburban LRVs are 9' wide and I think it would not fit in the tunnel.
ExCon90 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:13 pm Where would the connection be?The closest routes are the 102 with the 11 and 13 somewhere in the Yeadon / Darby area. I unfortunately can't get enough detail on my puny cellphone screen to see what the local infrastructure looks like. That area's very built up which could complicate any new ROW, absent street running.
ExCon90 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:13 pm Where would the connection be?Connection at Germantown Ave. There is plenty of land on Erie Ave for a second trolley depot and maintenance. 56 would make a ton of sense with a ROW already in the middle on Erie Ave. Would love less cars on that street. Torresdale would be stuck in traffic all day. One thing would be helpful is moving the bus/trolley loop at Cottman to the Tacony RR station.
ExCon90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:43 pm My question was about the connection between the Subway-Surface lines and 101/102. Somehow you'd have to get from Darby to the 102, probably via either MacDade Blvd. or Chester Pike (see JeffK's post above), and I have visions of local residents forming human chains to block the bulldozers.It would help SEPTA from an operational standpoint to run them up Chester Pike to connect, especially when the fleet is unified.
ConstanceR46 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:43 am install a crossover on the MFL, run them dead thereHmmm ... not sure what the safety implications of that might be.
JeffK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:21 pmNot many instances of trolley running or trackage sharing with heavy rail, though some examples of interurbansConstanceR46 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:43 am install a crossover on the MFL, run them dead thereHmmm ... not sure what the safety implications of that might be.
Then again, the Taylors originally wanted to operate their trolleys on the MFL itself. The trolleys were to be equipped with shoes as well as poles. That said, you have to wonder how difficult scheduling would have been, not to mention the fate of a trolley if it were hit by a multi-car subway train.
And now that they've moved the entire operation to Scranton they're sharing some track with Delaware Lackawanna, as a result of which the volunteer motormen are required to be FRA-qualified engineers, although I believe temporal separation is maintained.
And Penn's Landing Trolley was a historic trolley running on national network PBL freight trackage.