by Matt Johnson
I didn't realize the restroom water needed to be potable! I would never have considered drinking it.
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Matt Johnson wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:20 am I didn't realize the restroom water needed to be potable! I would never have considered drinking it.My guess is that after the very public "hell trains" of MARC back in the 2000s (i was on one of them), where people were drinking from the sink to remain hydrated, it became a requirement.
scratchyX1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:50 amYeah, the MARC II cars had spigots on the outside of the bathrooms for potable water to drink. However, if I remember correctly, the "hell trains" were all MARC IIIs.Matt Johnson wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:20 am I didn't realize the restroom water needed to be potable! I would never have considered drinking it.My guess is that after the very public "hell trains" of MARC back in the 2000s (i was on one of them), where people were drinking from the sink to remain hydrated, it became a requirement.
Matt Johnson wrote:I didn't realize the restroom water needed to be potable! I would never have considered drinking it.If there is a sink and a tap, it has to be potable because somebody could fill a cup. If I remember, the water used in the toilet is recirculating, and tinted blue as a warning to people not to try to drink that...
eolesen wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:28 pm If there is a sink and a tap, it has to be potable because somebody could fill a cup.That might be a key point here. Did the RFP from Amtrak, Caltrans and the midwestern states actually state that "potable" water be provided or was it just assumed? Siemens has built a lot of passenger cars for Europe most notably the Railjet (OBB) and the Regiojet (CD). In my travels through Europe in every train toilet room I've ever been in there was a picture of a drinking glass with a RED slash through it. In other words, DON'T drink the tap water. My question therefore is there a picture of a drinking glass with a RED slash through it on Brightline (Viaggio) trains or is this just a minor screwup that Siemens can correct somewhat quickly?
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RRspatch wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:11 am That might be a key point here. Did the RFP from Amtrak, Caltrans and the midwestern states actually state that "potable" water be provided or was it just assumed? Siemens has built a lot of passenger cars for Europe most notably the Railjet (OBB) and the Regiojet (CD). In my travels through Europe in every train toilet room I've ever been in there was a picture of a drinking glass with a RED slash through it. In other words, DON'T drink the tap water. My question therefore is there a picture of a drinking glass with a RED slash through it on Brightline (Viaggio) trains or is this just a minor screwup that Siemens can correct somewhat quickly?Be mindful that us Americans are sue-happy idiots what will gladly ignore signs to the detriment of their wallets and freedom for the simple reason of "I want something" or "I'm bored." So why waste the time and money on lawyers who have to tell people "DIDN'T YOU SEE THE SIGNS?!?" and then extract their fees from the sue-happy "willing victims" when you can just design and build something that'll avoid that problem in the first place?
RRspatch wrote:From the RFP:eolesen wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:28 pm If there is a sink and a tap, it has to be potable because somebody could fill a cup.That might be a key point here. Did the RFP from Amtrak, Caltrans and the midwestern states actually state that "potable" water be provided or was it just assumed?
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15.0 Water and Waste SystemFurther in 15 it requires stainless piping and fittings.
15.1 Overview
A pressurized fresh water system shall be provided on each car to supply potable water for drinking, hand washing, toilet flushing and Café car galley requirements. Storage for 200 gal (757 L) of potable water shall be located in the A/F-end or B-end equipment room of coach and
cab/baggage cars, and 300 gal (1135 L) on café/lounge cars. A re-circulating chiller shall provide chilled potable water to two dispensing stations, one on each level of all cars.
A vacuum type waste retention system shall be provided on each car. The waste tank, drain lines and associated components shall be located in the B-end equipment room. Gray water from toilet room and galley hand washing sinks shall be captured and pumped to the waste
retention tank.
No waste water shall be permitted to drain to ground, including gray water from hand washing sinks. Only fresh water from the following sources shall be permitted to drain to ground:
x Condensate from Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) and chiller units
x Drain from potable water chillers
x Melt water from ice storage bins
x Carbody drains from door tracks and equipment rooms
x Fresh water from water supply system when drained manually or by freeze protection devices
All car types shall have an Accessible Toilet Room (ATR) on the lower level. Coaches and cab/baggage cars shall also have a Unisex Toilet Room (UTR) on the upper level.
The water and waste systems shall be protected from damage due to freezing through the use of heat tape, blanket heaters, automatic drain valves (water system only) and insulation.
See Chapter 14, Food Service, for galley water system requirements.
west point wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:00 pm it is over 6 months without any cars in service. What is going on??A Quality Assurance process that will not release vehicles into daily service until all the problems with them have been fixed is what is going on. How many problems there are I have no idea, but I hope they are resolving the problems quickly.
electricron wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:08 pmThey're evidently not solving them quickly.west point wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:00 pm it is over 6 months without any cars in service. What is going on??A Quality Assurance process that will not release vehicles into daily service until all the problems with them have been fixed is what is going on. How many problems there are I have no idea, but I hope they are resolving the problems quickly.