by rcthompson04
How many passengers will the coaches hold?
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Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:56 am Regarding Mr. Olesen's immediate, of course the cars will not have "Eurocrusher" link and pin couplers (again; horrified when I have seen cars added or cut over there), but might they have couplers similar to those of transit railcars with an AAR coupler only on the Control Car?I might need to dig up the RFP specs for the consortium cars...
Greg Moore wrote:Again, I think there's no reason to think they'll be much different from the Siemens Venture series that Brightline and others in North America are using.I'm pretty sure the trainsets will be longer, at leastonaverage. The Avelia Liberty trainsets have a maximum capacity of 386 in 9 (8 coaches, 1 cafe) car trainset. Granted the cars are shorter; but presumably Amtrak will want a similar capacity for the Northeast Regionals.
In that case it's 50 in Business class, 44 in cafe/economy, 70 in economy and 62 in the cab car.
For a typical 6 car train that's 316 economy and 50 business.
Only difference we might expect is more tables in the cafe care, reducing the seats there.
Each car shall be equipped on both ends with an energy absorbing coupler with associated draft gear, coupler carrier, uncoupling mechanism and centering device. The couplers shall be designed to be physically compatible with, couple to, and operate with standard Type H Tightlock couplers and components conforming to MCSCM drawings and APTA standards. The coupler head and knuckle shall conform to the Type H Tightlock pattern as per corresponding MCSCM drawings and specifications. The coupler and draft gear assembly shall be compliant with the requirements of APTA Recommended Practice RP-M-003-98. Push back couplers with energy absorption shall be used as a component of an integrated crash energy management system.I read that to require standard Type H Tightlock couplers, but the requirement for this bid was standalone cars, and not trainsets.
eolesen wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:19 am If the California/Midwest cars are any precedent... here's the specification on couplers:Given that the ACS-64's are only 7 years old, at the oldest, I have to assume any rolling stock Amtrak buys is going to be compatible with them. And given the need for the ACS-64's to haul everything running south out of NY Penn there's no way Amtrak is going to change out the couplers on those for some kind of transit- or Euro-style thing that wouldn't be compatible with LD equipment.
Each car shall be equipped on both ends with an energy absorbing coupler with associatedI read that to require standard Type H Tightlock couplers, but the requirement for this bid was standalone cars, and not trainsets.
draft gear, coupler carrier, uncoupling mechanism and centering device. The couplers shall be
designed to be physically compatible with, couple to, and operate with standard Type H
Tightlock couplers and components conforming to MCSCM drawings and APTA standards. The
coupler head and knuckle shall conform to the Type H Tightlock pattern as per corresponding
MCSCM drawings and specifications. The coupler and draft gear assembly shall be compliant
with the requirements of APTA Recommended Practice RP-M-003-98. Push back couplers with
energy absorption shall be used as a component of an integrated crash energy management
system.
I can't imagine Siemens or Amtrak would want to have two different designs of Venture cars, but anything's possible.
Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:56 am Regarding Mr. Olesen's immediate, of course the cars will not have "Eurocrusher" link and pin couplers (again; horrified when I have seen cars added or cut over there), but might they have couplers similar to those of transit railcars with an AAR coupler only on the Control Car?Could have both for emergency situations.
And it's not clear what exactly the trainsets will look like. But Jack Madden, a retired official with the New York State Department of Transportation who serves on the Next Generation Equipment Committee, an industry organization established by the Passenger Rail Investment and Improvement Act of 2008, has some ideas.
"The PRIIA trainset specifications use the same type of shell and some of the subsystems" as current equipment being produced by Siemens, Madden said. So he expects Amtrak's new equipment will resemble the so-called Venture cars that were acquired by Illinois and several other Midwest states for use on their state-supported routes.
Greg Moore wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:36 pm A link to the local dead tree: https://www.timesunion.com/business/art ... 133782.phpI suppose it would not be bad timing to refresh everyone what Amtrak California and Amtrak Midwest bought as Venture cars.
MattW wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:08 pm I'd just like to see an American version of a British Class 800 series. Maybe with tilt too.UK
bostontrainguy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:20 pmMaybe they copied the Acela's design.MattW wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:08 pm I'd just like to see an American version of a British Class 800 series. Maybe with tilt too.UK
Fatigue cracks sideline GWR Class 800s
27 April 2021
UK: Great Western Railway has taken some of its Class 800 inter-city trains out of service following the discovery of fatigue cracking in the yaw damper bolsters on a number of vehicles.